All this consternation and bullshit from blowhards everywhere about the 4th and inches play has me thinking about the future of this play. And man, if we're already getting Schefter and Florio talking about changing the rules to help teams beat the Chiefs, we may as well make it fair across the board, right?
The tush push hides the ballcarrier and makes it tough to view and make a decision on ball placement when it's close. I do believe the NFL wants to get the calls right, but when they make the decision in the game and rule it too close to call so they can't overturn it, people scream bloody murder. I think by creating a damn rugby pile when every inch really matters, you're just going to continue inviting this crap to fester in discussions of very important games. Shit, we're up against the emperors of this stupid play. What if one of them is close like this again? The Eagles REALLY hide Hurts on these plays, and he goes pretty low. They're going to convert the play a whole bunch, but a few of them might be close. What then will happen?
And in addition to it just being a stupid fucking play with no chance of unpredictability, I just hate it. And for people who say, "Just learn to stop the play and offenses won't run it" you're allowing offensive players to push each other, but you're saying defenders can't meet force with force. Nobody can stop that shit if you're giving an unfair advantage to one side of the ball. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
That's just the thing. The tush push is a telegraphed play. There's no surprise, everybody knows you're going to do it.
Therefore, there's no real reason it HAS to be the QB that runs it. Put someone in there that has good lower body strength, out some big guys behind him, and run it.
The Chiefs could run it with a TE if they wanted to.
Originally Posted by Rasputin:
I'm not so sure we can't stop it. I mean I think with Spags we can have a strategy against it. I think we can do it. Most importantly let's keep them off 3rd and 1 fourth and 1 or goal to go.
Allen was easier to stop because he's a big guy that goes over the top of the pile, while Hurts is more finesse and he'll just go underneath the pile to get the yards. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lcarus:
That stuff on the 4th down was the play of the game. Whoever the main catalyst was for that stop is a beast.
Tbh we were stuffing that play a lot more than just that once. I think we prevented them from getting a 1st down or 2-point conversion like three or four times against that play.
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
That's just the thing. The tush push is a telegraphed play. There's no surprise, everybody knows you're going to do it.
Therefore, there's no real reason it HAS to be the QB that runs it. Put someone in there that has good lower body strength, out some big guys behind him, and run it.
The Chiefs could run it with a TE if they wanted to.
Yeah, the Ravens don’t run sneaks with Lamar. They bring in Mandrews like we used to use Bell.
Originally Posted by SHOWTIME:
Allen was easier to stop because he's a big guy that just went over the top of the pile, while Hurts is more finesse and he'll just go underneath the pile to get the yards.
Technique has something to do with it but Hurts is a decent-sized guy and he’s really powerful. I think he squats 600 or 700 pounds. [Reply]
It’s hard to believe there isn’t some tech that could make these measurements easy? Set the ball down and determine when it’s hit the line to gain? [Reply]
Originally Posted by SHOWTIME:
Allen was easier to stop because he's a big guy that just went over the top of the pile, while Hurts is more finesse and he'll just go underneath the pile to get the yards.
Philly also does a better job of pushing. They have 3 guys behind Hurts that help with the push. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2:
The whistle should blow after the initial "push". It's often a stalemate for a few seconds and they let it continue for some reason.
hard to totally blow it dead when a lot of times the QB is not being touched by a defender. [Reply]
What I think may impact the long-term outlook of the tush push is that it's completely altered how a lot of teams play.
The ENTIRE post-season has been cautious, underneath, extremely conservative playcalls by teams that are full expecting to be able to get that yard on 4th down. So it's made the game less dynamic.
Offenses just don't take many risks anymore because they figure they have this high percentage 3rd or 4th down play in their pocket they can use to convert after a couple of short passes or runs.
The trickle-down effect of the tush push may be what kills it more than just the play itself. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
What I think may impact the long-term outlook of the tush push is that it's completely altered how a lot of teams play.
The ENTIRE post-season has been cautious, underneath, extremely conservative playcalls by teams that are full expecting to be able to get that yard on 4th down. So it's made the game less dynamic.
Offenses just don't take many risks anymore because they figure they have this high percentage 3rd or 4th down play in their pocket they can use to convert after a couple of short passes or runs.
The trickle-down effect of the tush push may be what kills it more than just the play itself.
Hmmm...never thought about that.
If it makes the game more boring in the way you're saying, they will eventually find a way to get rid of it. Scoring puts butts in seats. [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
It’s hard to believe there isn’t some tech that could make these measurements easy? Set the ball down and determine when it’s hit the line to gain?
The NFL tested new technology during preseason and it was a failure.
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
It’s hard to believe there isn’t some tech that could make these measurements easy? Set the ball down and determine when it’s hit the line to gain?
Right now the fallibility of the human eye is one of the only deterrents to running the play. “Don’t want to get screwed? Don’t run a play that invites more subjective judgement regarding the spot of the ball.” [Reply]
Here is something I’ve been wondering about this play.
You can’t chop block….you can’t block a player low and hit them high at the same time. When you watch these plays thr interior linemen are hitting people at the knees, everyone behind them is hitting those players high as part of the push. It’s a cop blocking play by design.
That said, the Yada yada about the chiefs getting calls because the league wants them to win…..BUT…the league seems to make rule changes to help the OTHER teams after the chiefs win….OT….whats next to help buffalo? the chiefs defense has to count to 1 Mississippi after thr snap to give poor buffalo and cinci a chance? Buffalo get a 5th down when they don’t make it on 4?
The rest of the league is George Castanza caught in a cold shower and the Chiefs are hanging out the bottom of their cargo shorts. [Reply]