Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
The Chiefs do not need to be messing with a short-term solution that might not even work.
Pay Cam Robinson or Ronnie Stanley or the kid from SF.
You folks will shit on Jaylon Moore every chance you get. Dude's started about a 1/2 dozen games over the last 4 years, is a former 5th round pick and he DOESN'T qualify as a 'solution that might not even work'? Lord.
Stanley's health history is no better/worse than Armstead's and of late, Armstead has been better than Stanley.
And you're WAY late to the party on Cam Robinson but boy am I going to get a kick out of watching that guy get vivisected every time Mahomes gets hit. Because he's GONNA get hit.
"For $21 million/yr he should be a brick !@#$ing wall out there!!!"
Yeah - just keep acting like there's some obvious right answer, chief. You typically cover yourself in glory when you pull that shit. [Reply]
None of them are 33. NO WAY we should be trading assets for a fucking 33 year old. Are you fucked in the head?
Yes, I realize there are no perfect solutions. We don't need perfect. We need 2022 Orlando Brown level play, with less fat. We're good with those options. I'm not good with someone who is about ready to retire. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
None of them are 33. NO WAY we should be trading assets for a fucking 33 year old. Are you fucked in the head?
Yes, I realize there are no perfect solutions. We don't need perfect. We need 2022 Orlando Brown level play, with less fat. We're good with those options. I'm not good with someone who is about ready to retire.
We gave a 2nd for Brown, got two good years out of him and then let him go.
We gave assets for 2 years of a guy and ultimately got our value worth from the exchange.
If Armstead can be had for a 2nd day pick and plays the 13-15 games/yr he's played recently and at the level he's played it recently, that answer is fine even if its only 2 or 3 more years.
And with it, you continue looking for longer term solutions.
You want to act like there's some easy button to push here and there just isn't. All of this is going to take some combination of things unless some bizarre Luka Doncic style trade falls out of the sky.
Knows the offense, isn’t a broke dick and is decent. Slightly better than Donovan Smith. Mahomes won back-to-back SB’s with OBJ and Smith both struggling. They were both top 5 in pressure % given up.
Robinson is not gonna get crucified like Thuney just did. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Easy 6:
This, all damn day long
There is no magic elixir
The problem is that it's absolutely going to have to be a balancing act.
You can focus on the best possible short-term solution available but it's going to almost certainly come at the expense of the long-term answer. I.e. you can target Armstead/Stanley and likely get a very strong (if intermittently unavailable) effort but with very little true long-term value.
Or you can focus on the long term and go through growing pains with Kingsley or a draft pick.
Or you shoot for the middle with someone like Jackson. You're trading some short term certainty for possible long-term stability. There's a good chance he's not as good as Stanley or Armstead now. But he's not as risky as Kingsley. You're also paying a lot more for it.
It's all about where you want to put your emphasis.
To haughtily act like any specific path forward is foolish is just typical Clay bullshit.
Fucking guy has been wrong more than anyone on this board (primarily because he never shuts up) but never hesitates to act like he has all the answers.
Any answer here is going to be a matter of preference and an ability to get to 'yes'. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The problem is that it's absolutely going to have to be a balancing act.
You can focus on the best possible short-term solution available but it's going to almost certainly come at the expense of the long-term answer. I.e. you can target Armstead/Stanley and likely get a very strong (if intermittently unavailable) effort but with very little true long-term value.
Or you can focus on the long term and go through growing pains with Kingsley or a draft pick.
Or you shoot for the middle with someone like Jackson. You're trading some short term certainty for possible long-term stability. There's a good chance he's not as good as Stanley or Armstead now. But he's not as risky as Kingsley. You're also paying a lot more for it.
It's all about where you want to put your emphasis.
To haughtily act like any specific path forward is foolish is just typical Clay bullshit.
Fucking guy has been wrong more than anyone on this board (primarily because he never shuts up) but never hesitates to act like he has all the answers.
Any answer here is going to be a matter of preference and an ability to get to 'yes'.
I'm on that shooting for the middle train
Veteran young or old
Suamataia breathing down his neck
Morris, Driskell, cheap young FA with upside
Throw them all in a blender and see who looks best, then go from there... finding these guys is usually more about patience, persistence, and a little in house luck than anything else [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
We gave a 2nd for Brown, got two good years out of him and then let him go.
We gave assets for 2 years of a guy and ultimately got our value worth from the exchange.
If Armstead can be had for a 2nd day pick and plays the 13-15 games/yr he's played recently and at the level he's played it recently, that answer is fine even if its only 2 or 3 more years.
And with it, you continue looking for longer term solutions.
You want to act like there's some easy button to push here and there just isn't. All of this is going to take some combination of things unless some bizarre Luka Doncic style trade falls out of the sky.
It ain't terribly likely.
Damn, isn't that a pretty fucking stiff price? Going to be honest, I'm not at all caught up on Armstead as a player but the mixed bag of talent and injury concerns seems to put him on par with Stanley and to a lesser extent Humphries. Is his contract structured to a point where it'd be advantageous for the Chiefs? [Reply]
Mmm. Roughly 25 million over 2 years. If he'd be willing to play on that may not be the worst idea, but I really wouldn't be too keen to give up more than the later 3rd. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry:
Membou has always screamed guard to me. And him going in the top 15 shows how much lack of depth at tackle there is this year.
He's built a lot like Kelvin Beachum. A bit squatty but has longer arms and is just a good player. Actually, he has slightly longer arms and is a bit heavier. Most everyone at the Senior Bowl said he's staying at RT in the NFL. I can see it. I don't think he'll move to LT but who knows. Beachum played 7 of his 13 seasons at LT. [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
That they almost put Kingsley in at LG in the Super Bowl is pretty telling to me. They were going to do that before putting Humphries in.
Says a lot about both players and their futures here.
