Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
If it's for vet minimum sure. But we had to give him a contract that was essentially an 8 figure deal prorated to about 4 million. So let's not waste any more time, reps, or cap on a known broke dick that Reid wouldn't even consider after he got injured again.
I would expect the Chiefs have a lot of inside knowledge on his medical condition. It will be telling if they attempt to resign him. I would not be surprised either way. I think it was very optimistic that he would be able to play at a high level ony 12 months removed from a ACL, without an offseason/a lot of parctice reps...Now by this summer he probably hits maximum improvement and he will be what he will be, will that be good enough or not,,
But I think he has a better shot being a average starting LT then moving Taylor who has been a average RT for his whole career at best and not expecting any drop off from going from RT to LT [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I just don't think he's that good of a player. What am I missing here?
Cap keeps rising and there are more teams with cap space than there are good players available.
We'd be banking on a surplus of $$$ in the system and teams that aren't able to convince good players to take it from them.
So you trade Smith to them and they know they're overpaying by 20% for the player based on his likely market value, but they can't get a player that's at/near pro bowl quality to sign with them for that money anyway.
I don't think he's a must-have guy, but he's probably the best OG that may be available this offseason. There's value in that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Cap keeps rising and there are more teams with cap space than there are good players available.
We'd be banking on a surplus of $$$ in the system and teams that aren't able to convince good players to take it from them.
So you trade Smith to them and they know they're overpaying by 20% for the player based on his likely market value, but they can't get a player that's at/near pro bowl quality to sign with them for that money anyway.
I don't think he's a must-have guy, but he's probably the best OG that may be available this offseason. There's value in that.
Oh yeah sure if we can do that.
I just don't want any part of paying him if we're not gonna change our run blocking/pass system. And we won't, so doesn't matter. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Cap keeps rising and there are more teams with cap space than there are good players available.
We'd be banking on a surplus of $$$ in the system and teams that aren't able to convince good players to take it from them.
So you trade Smith to them and they know they're overpaying by 20% for the player based on his likely market value, but they can't get a player that's at/near pro bowl quality to sign with them for that money anyway.
I don't think he's a must-have guy, but he's probably the best OG that may be available this offseason. There's value in that.
Not sure how the Chiefs can tag him and incure a 25 million cap hit. Your hoping someone will trade for him at a APY over what his market value will be,,,just not seeing it. No one will tip their hand because they are likely waiting until he hits FA's or the Chiefs pull the trigger. Guessing they know they can get him at a lot lower cap hit if he hits FA's. They do not have to waste any resources. It would be a huge gamble to tag him. IT would also mean your out on Free Agents until you trade him if your lucky. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I would also keep Suamatia at LT and give him the offseason and see what happens.
With the cap and things we've got coming up.....we really need that to work out cheaply for a few years.
This was my original notion and I'm coming back around to it after reading you guys hammer on it.
Signing a guy like Jaylon Moore from SF gives you solid competition at a fair price and he's not an aged broke dick. Whoever loses the battle at LT could easily slide to LG next year when Thuney is gone. And I think you can hedge some by taking a guy like Anthony Belton in round 2 or 3 and letting him develop too.
That, of course, is dependent on Andy Reid. He has historically been patient in developing OL on the field but the success and the crushing pressure of the 3-peat I think got him away from it. The right move was to keep Suamataia on the field developing and giving him help from TEs and RBs with chips as needed but we didn't do that. We need to do that with someone, even the best rookie from this class won't be ready to sit out on an island like we've seen him employ of late. The only OT in FA I'd trust on an island is Ronnie Stanley. So, either way, it has to get back to the basics here . [Reply]
With cap going up so much I'm warming up to the idea of trading for Tyreek and Terron Armstead. Phins will probably try and start their young LT this year and Armstead should be available as a great stop gap LT for us.
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Hey man. You got there.
I was already there because I'm a draft nerd and have known the state of this draft for OTs for a LONG time.
I mean, I think the OT that is SAFEST is Armand Membou, and he's a 6'3.5" guy who only works at T because he has extraordinarily long arms for his height. And is probably a RT only. And will go way too high for KC's test.
Best-case scenario would be Josh Simmons falling down draft boards and being available in the low 20s, where you could make a deal with the Steelers or Vikings to go get him. That would still have risk, but it's the only first-round, trade-up scenario that I think makes sense for KC.
Other than that, making it a numbers game and having a vet option or two to throw at things sounds like the most logical combination of floor and upside out there.
It's kind of like taking a QB round 1. If a guy that fits and is worth it isn't there or at a pick you can get to, keep band-aiding the position until you can find a real fix that works and is acceptable to your cost ratio.
Membou has always screamed guard to me. And him going in the top 15 shows how much lack of depth at tackle there is this year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I would also keep Suamatia at LT and give him the offseason and see what happens.
With the cap and things we've got coming up.....we really need that to work out cheaply for a few years.
Would be the ideal situation if he can handle the position. But bottom line the team can not miss on Morris and Suamatia. One of them needs to start somewhere on the OL. It would be a homerun if one can handle LT at above average level. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Balto:
With cap going up so much I'm warming up to the idea of trading for Tyreek and Terron Armstead. Phins will probably try and start their young LT this year and Armstead should be available as a great stop gap LT for us.
a 33-year old tackle who has missed 21 games in 4 years :-):-):-):-)
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry:
Membou has always screamed guard to me. And him going in the top 15 shows how much lack of depth at tackle there is this year.
I think he might be a RT and a pretty good one. At least for most offenses.
And he does seem well suited to be an outstanding guard. Now that those cost $20 million for a top 10 model, you might as well start considering them in the 1st round (I would not, I don't think top 10 models are strictly necessary).
But Membou seems awfully save to be a very good player at this level even if he doesn't end up staying at OT. [Reply]
