Vote in this poll if you actually live in Jackson county.
We've all shared our opinions in the other thread. But who gives a shit what somebody in Platte County or Johnson County or Phoenix or NYC thinks. We're all just noise. [Reply]
KC annexed all those lands that surround the airport long ago. Much remains undeveloped and was the first choice of NASCAR till KC politics crushed the idea. Nascar popularity has kind of slowed while the NFL just keeps growing. That is an area that can be turned into something Clark could envision as being a success. But so could Bonner Springs or Gardner and yes KCK in Kansas. [Reply]
I remain unworried about team moves, given the pretty ample tools at issue and ability to outbid for Missouri and Kansas City. That said, as many shared, I do appreciate the clarity the teams have provided that share the now open nature of competition.
I somehow doubt that a Missouri legislature full of St. Louis politicians is going to do anything. Kansas benefits here from the fact that there is no other metro in the state. There is no real opposition. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
As opposed to….where the stadiums are now?
Yeah sure. Like I said is having some outlet stores around and a couple bar and grill restaurants make it that much of a destination location and something that's impossible to replicate at the TSC? [Reply]
The mayor is not even a factor after the election failure and his pushing the stadium into the crossroads blew up like a dollar watch. He is a bystander at this point, no bullets in his gun. He can now sit back and wait for Cleaver to die and then go to Washington. What a disaster he brought on to KC.
John Sherman is perhaps the least likable face of a team as there could be. He may be the best dude ever but comes across as a PR nightmare aided by his wife who shit on herself after the vote.
Frank White is not smart enough to come inside. But he was able to undermine the Royals every step of the way with small comments and questions. Jackson County should eject him asap.
The way this shapes up is The Chiefs were happy with the program they had on the ballot but were forced by Q and White to tie to the Royals and that sunk them. Now they are separate, it green lights a new day, lets look at all options. and KS will run hard to get them. The tax income from stadium is enormous for the County and State.
I actually could see the Chiefs move to KS and the Royals leave KC entirely. KC had a worldclass stadium complex. Now it could be another deserted area of eastern KC for the hoodrats to spray paint. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
Yeah sure. Like I said is having some outlet stores around and a couple bar and grill restaurants make it that much of a destination location and something that's impossible to replicate at the TSC?
Is this serious?
I don't spend a lot of time at Legends, but you have Kansas Speedway, Sporting KC, T-Bones, Hollywood Casino, Great Wolf Lodge, Dave and Buster's, Stanford's, Cabela's, NFM, AMC, etc......vs.....a Taco Bell and Subway and shitty roads. Yeah, I don't think it's a contest in terms of which area has more attractions. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Shocker…a bunch of bitter Missourians taking shots at the state that has to bail your asses out of this mess.
Always wondered what Missourians are so bitter about anyway. Maybe some Jayhawkers should go Quantrill and burn down Missouri and give you something to be bitter about. :-)
Bitter? I'd be more than happy if y'all hosted the teams if they can't do any better than they're doing with their bid to extend a tax. Like going to see a race, I'm OK with the occasional few mile drive to go see them, just like Kansans are OK with the current few mile drive to come to Missouri to watch the Royals and the Chiefs. That doesn't make us bitter, it makes us smart.
In b4, "but you'll lose all the revenue the teams bring to JACO!!!" I know, I don't care about it. [Reply]
I remain unworried about team moves, given the pretty ample tools at issue and ability to outbid for Missouri and Kansas City. That said, as many shared, I do appreciate the clarity the teams have provided that share the now open nature of competition.
Well Q better hope for a miracle in Jeff City because the M legislature has proven time and time again that they only do things for St. Louis, but harldy ever for KC. Sad but true... Maybe this time, since the Rams bolted, they'll realize they do need to compete with KS and bring MO's forces to bear in the competition. [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
I somehow doubt that a Missouri legislature full of St. Louis politicians is going to do anything. Kansas benefits here from the fact that there is no other metro in the state. There is no real opposition.
St. Louis politicians don't run the Missouri legislature. The difference in seats for the two metro areas is 12-13, out of 163 members of the Missouri house.
If going based purely on fandom/fan support, the Chiefs have a majority of the house. It's not based just on that, though. Obviously.
I suspect the MO legislature and governor's office are motivated to keep both teams in the state (In fact, I know this from talking to the husband of a friend of mine who is a state rep on the side of the aisle that is in power).
Kansas City itself and the state will work to keep the Royals. Kansas City, or North Kansas City + Kansas City and the state will work to keep the Chiefs.
And all of the tax shit will probably be worse than it would have been had the sales tax extension passed, and Johnson County will continue to suck off the teat of Kansas City proper while freeloading on the things that make the area cool. [Reply]
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan: The mayor is not even a factor after the election failure and his pushing the stadium into the crossroads blew up like a dollar watch. He is a bystander at this point, no bullets in his gun. He can now sit back and wait for Cleaver to die and then go to Washington. What a disaster he brought on to KC.
John Sherman is perhaps the least likable face of a team as there could be. He may be the best dude ever but comes across as a PR nightmare aided by his wife who shit on herself after the vote.
Frank White is not smart enough to come inside. But he was able to undermine the Royals every step of the way with small comments and questions. Jackson County should eject him asap.
The way this shapes up is The Chiefs were happy with the program they had on the ballot but were forced by Q and White to tie to the Royals and that sunk them. Now they are separate, it green lights a new day, lets look at all options. and KS will run hard to get them. The tax income from stadium is enormous for the County and State.
I actually could see the Chiefs move to KS and the Royals leave KC entirely. KC had a worldclass stadium complex. Now it could be another deserted area of eastern KC for the hoodrats to spray paint.
As for the worthless mayor moving on to DC, I saw that happening for quite sometime. However, he will be replaced by another stooge that is controlled by the KC political machine.
The land the stadiums are at if they both leave will just be bought out by developers, they will put something there its in a prime location. [Reply]
Nobody wants Mayor Q involved in anything that matters. That dude is a slimy cocksucker.
But we can all envision a bold new future Arrowhead 2.0 at The Legends can't we?
Lines of superdutys with university of misery vanity plates idling in the mist at dawn. Waiting to get inside The House That Pat Built In Kansas and spend their money [Reply]
One new thing getting lost in all of this is Clark Hunt seriously talking about going with a dome stadium. That part would really suck, wherever the stadium is. [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
One new thing getting lost in all of this is Clark Hunt seriously talking about going with a dome stadium. That part would really suck, wherever the stadium is.
A new domed stadium out by the racetrack in Kansas? I guess that's better than moving to San Antonio etc. but still would suck big time. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Is this serious?
I don't spend a lot of time at Legends, but you have Kansas Speedway, Sporting KC, T-Bones, Hollywood Casino, Great Wolf Lodge, Dave and Buster's, Stanford's, Cabela's, NFM, AMC, etc......vs.....a Taco Bell and Subway and shitty roads. Yeah, I don't think it's a contest in terms of which area has more attractions.
Yeah, no idea what they're planning, but if they tore down the old Cerner buildings (RIP), they could probably fit a stadium in there across the street from Great Wolf Lodge, and build hotels or whatever on the other side, between Village West Pkwy and I-70.
It wouldn't be a crazy short walk, but a mile from Jazz, YardHouse, and several other restaurants... about the same as walking from Lot L. [Reply]
