Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
So Mahomes led the league in preseason YPA and was 2nd in passer rating.. and I think we all believe he's capable of playing far better than even what we saw in those few games..
Kid is gonna be great for Kansas City for a long time. Just hope we can give him at least serviceable defenses year to year to help him out.
Originally Posted by Buckweath:
Remember, this is the same Oline that allowed Smith to have a career year last year and Hunt to be the leading rusher. And it is the same Oline which has allowed Mahomes to complete over 70% of his passes in preseason and have a passer rating of around 103 I believe. And no that interception was not the Oline's fault.
Originally Posted by DRM08:
Need to build a better OL for him. So far it looks like he will be running for his life just like the crap OL at Tech.
Personally, I find this to be an interesting point, Mr. DRM08.
The current o-line was built during the AS11 era. As far as pass pro is concerned, the scheme(s) associated with that period of time were mainly based upon quick passes to the intermediate downfield zone. In other words, the o-line was hired and coached to create and hold a pocket for somewhere between 2 and 3 seconds ... or less. That's not long-ball protection (unless the WRs have super speed).
It may well be true that AS11 was able to advance his deep passing game due to the "defense didn't expect that factor" and Hill's ability to get 40 yards downfield and wide open in a very short period of time. He also benefited from YAC.
It's probably worth watching if and/or when the o-line adapts to Mahomes' style of play. They are very different QBs and the bigs will have to figure it out in order to make the offense work. (This effect is also visible when Mahomes throws the bubble screen, BTW. He gets the ball to the receiver much faster than AS11 which alters the timing of the blocking setup a lot more than some folks might realize.)
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
So Mahomes led the league in preseason YPA and was 2nd in passer rating.. and I think we all believe he's capable of playing far better than even what we saw in those few games..
Kid is gonna be great for Kansas City for a long time. Just hope we can give him at least serviceable defenses year to year to help him out.
This preseason in addition to last preseason + the Donks game has convinced me we have a combo of Joe Montana/Aaron Rodgers as our QB. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Easy 6:
Mangini had a point when he said Pat will go through a wide range of mistakes, but as our resident homer correctly stated... 'yeah but thats all baked into it'
All the rest is just Mangina blather, throwing out all of Smiths stats like that pssshaw... he may know more about the nuts and bolts of football than all of us, but the simple fact is he hasnt watched nearly as many Alex snaps, as most regular planeteers have
Stats can and do lie, Eric... the killer instinct was missing
Mangini is a defensive minded coach.
Alex Smith's conservative style was MOLDED by defensive head coaches. Guys who teach them over and over 'don't make mistakes. No mistakes. Ever." and don't really press them to make plays.
Guys like Mangini have been ruining talented QB's for decades by messing them up mentally and turning them into pussies. [Reply]
He is an almost unparalleled arm talent with brains and athleticism and work ethic to go with it.
He also gets to take over an offense with some serious playmakers.
All the pundits claiming he will struggle or the Chiefs will take a step back because of him are just parroting old school thought processes on strong armed gun slinger QBs starting out.
Mahomes isn't Jeff George or even Brett Favre in their first season starting, he is on a better team and is already more polished.
Sit back and enjoy the show which is going to get better and better and better all season. [Reply]
Did anyone hear Brian Baldinger on NFL Total Access tonight? About 40 minutes in he broke down Mahomes & said he loves everything the kid does. It's about 2-3 minutes of pure love.
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Look people, Mahomes is a unique QB scenario.
He is an almost unparalleled arm talent with brains and athleticism and work ethic to go with it.
He also gets to take over an offense with some serious playmakers.
All the pundits claiming he will struggle or the Chiefs will take a step back because of him are just parroting old school thought processes on strong armed gun slinger QBs starting out.
Mahomes isn't Jeff George or even Brett Favre in their first season starting, he is on a better team and is already more polished.
Sit back and enjoy the show which is going to get better and better and better all season.
I think the Chiefs take a step back because the team isn't solid. Nothing to do with Mahomes.
I try to explain 9 ways to Sunday, but people are convinced I love Alex and hate Mahomes. But I never said anything but that Alex was 'good enough' to win with a solid team. So I differed with people who thought that Alex was our sole problem. Leaving Alex completely out of the equation, we've consistently had a shaky team that could paste together a few runs of competent play, but maddeningly decimated themselves come playoff time year after year.
I've always been on board with Mahomes, earlier than most of his staunchest supporters. But I try to keep my eye on the prize, because nobody has ever been good enough to win it by themselves. Which means if we want success with Mahomes on the team we presently have, we're hoping for something greater from him than has even existed. And that's not fair to him.
I have been reticent to comment on the team development since Dorsey-->Veach and Smith--> Mahomes, but the 2ndary needs to gel quickly. Houston and Berry need to earn their $$$, and the o-line needs to start protecting like they're professionals earning a paycheck, or it's going to be a long mediocre season punctuated with the occasional wow pass play in meaningless games.
All that said, it's still the preseason, which means most of the data we have is meaningless. Our goal is to make it through the preseason healthy. We've managed that relatively well on the field. We've had worse luck in practice, and in getting previously injured players back to full strength. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KChiefs1:
Did anyone hear Brian Baldinger on NFL Total Access tonight? About 40 minutes in he broke down Mahomes & said he loves everything the kid does. It's about 2-3 minutes of pure love.
I think the main point that gets confused, lost, whatever when it comes to your views and others is that yes, no one QB can win it all alone. Not even close. You need a good to great team to win a Super Bowl.
However, I do think that if all other facets of a team are equal, you have a much better chance to win a championship with Mahomes at QB than say Smith, or any other game manager type of quarterback. Especially if your defense is just middle of the road.
So whereas you may feel like the defense needs to be top flight regardless of the QB in order to win a SB, period.... I believe that may not be the case with Mahomes. Kid just may need to get hot in January with the defense playing just good enough to keep up. [Reply]
