Originally Posted by O.city:
Well, it's not all his fault. But if we are gonna have the GOAT convo and he's gonna make the cash he does, we can't win without him playing at an elite level.
Alex Smith made the point of the night after the game.
“He was out there by himself tonight”
And he ****ing was. Kelce played the worst game I’ve ever seen him play, the OL played historically bad again in the SB, our RB’s did nothing, we dropped passes. These old, washed players couldn’t get open and make plays.
This offseason needs to be about Patrick Mahomes. Surround this guy with young explosive weapons and do your damndest to get a passable LT somewhere.
This wasn’t Tom Brady with 50 TD’s, 5k yards with Randy Moss and Wes Welker getting his neck stepped on all game. This offense had real problems all year long the must be addressed.
I really despise this conversation considering Mahomes was a big part of taking these pieces of shit to the SB in the first place [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Alex Smith made the point of the night after the game.
“He was out there by himself tonight”
And he ****ing was. Kelce played the worst game I’ve ever seen him play, the OL played historically bad again in the SB, our RB’s did nothing, we dropped passes. These old, washed players couldn’t get open and make plays.
This offseason needs to be about Patrick Mahomes. Surround this guy with young explosive weapons and do your damndest to get a passable LT somewhere.
This wasn’t Tom Brady with 50 TD’s, 5k yards with Randy Moss and Wes Welker getting his neck stepped on all game. This offense had real problems all year long the must be addressed.
I really despise this conversation considering Mahomes was a big part of taking these pieces of shit to the SB in the first place
It really has me wondering, even during the actual Superbowl, how the Chiefs would have fared with Donovan Smith at LT and Thuney back to LG. When they brought in Humphries, I ALSO wanted them to bring in Donovan Smith as tactical depth and competition, and it turned out Humphries was rusty/out of shape/coming off injury. Smith would have been out of shape as well but he was NOT coming off an injury, I also don't think he would have cost a lot at that point of the season to bring in for a look. Even with an average LT like Smith, the Chiefs offense is so much more capable, we probably would have had a chance of winning. Chiefs also need a very capable Blocking TE, for the moments when the opposing pass rush gets too spicy. We won a SB w/ a rookie WR as #1 and MVS/Mecole, Pat just needs some confidence in his line and a second or two longer to throw. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I really despise this conversation considering Mahomes was a big part of taking these pieces of shit to the SB in the first place
This organization has gotten far too comfortable using Mahomes as a crutch instead of as motivation to put the best possible team around him. I think they've realized that as much as anyone after what they just put him through in the Super Bowl. They should be ashamed, and I'm sure they are.
I'd be utterly shocked if the Chiefs aren't paying out one of the top 3 free agent contracts to a LT come the signing period. Not going to claim I know who it'll be, and it very well could end up being a Dan Moore or Garrett Bolles. If it is, I'll rejoice in glory because we have drastically upgraded the LT position. I don't care who they decide on, just get them in here. [Reply]
He's got the lower body to drive block. That's why SNR and I both kind of feel like if you're moving one of Kingsley or Morris to OG, Morris is the best physical fit.
Agree, the upside and floor for Morris is a good guard, barely passable to shitty tackle. Kingsley's upside is a good tackle, to his floor which is also a shitty tackle. Develop the one that has a higher ceiling and try the other one at guard. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
This organization has gotten far too comfortable using Mahomes as a crutch instead of as motivation to put the best possible team around him. I think they've realized that as much as anyone after what they just put him through in the Super Bowl. They should be ashamed, and I'm sure they are.
I'd be utterly shocked if the Chiefs aren't paying out one of the top 3 free agent contracts to a LT come the signing period. Not going to claim I know who it'll be, and it very well could end up being a Dan Moore or Garrett Bolles. If it is, I'll rejoice in glory because we have drastically upgraded the LT position. I don't care who they decide on, just get them in here.
There’s an opportunity cost to every move NFL teams make.
The Chiefs invested big on the IOL, which mostly has worked.
The Defense cost Mahomes a Super Bowl when he had his best offense in 2018. That’s mostly been fixed with a huge investment at all levels.
We’ve seen the Chiefs draft a WR in the top 2 rounds in last 3 drafts. 2 are home runs and 1 is a dud. Chiefs have also made several smaller moves at WR too.
It’s hard to blame the team for Mahomes ending Rice’s season. That alone would’ve been a major addition.
So really, I think there’s 1 key spot that the Chiefs haven’t done enough: LT. Which, to be fair, hasn’t stopped the Chiefs from going to the last 3 Super Bowls and winning 2 of them. That’s the greatest 3 year run in NFL history. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
This organization has gotten far too comfortable using Mahomes as a crutch instead of as motivation to put the best possible team around him. I think they've realized that as much as anyone after what they just put him through in the Super Bowl. They should be ashamed, and I'm sure they are.
I'd be utterly shocked if the Chiefs aren't paying out one of the top 3 free agent contracts to a LT come the signing period. Not going to claim I know who it'll be, and it very well could end up being a Dan Moore or Garrett Bolles. If it is, I'll rejoice in glory because we have drastically upgraded the LT position. I don't care who they decide on, just get them in here.
This take is bullshit.
The team isn't using Mahomes as a crutch or not trying to put the best team around him. It has been investing its resources in the best way it can to put the best team around him that it can.
This isn't Madden. There are limits to what you can spend, and you can only acquire the players you have shots at/can afford, and you can't make teams engage with you.
When Hill wanted more money than they could handle while keeping a good team around Mahomes, they moved him, and then took the best players they could (and made an aggressive trade-up to get one of those players). This led to a team with a strong IOL and defense. They had the best 3-year run in NFL history behind that team.
They've spent the resources where they can. I think they will spend big at LT in cash or picks or numbers to get it addressed. This isn't a team sitting around on status quo by any means. But the best use of resources might be a smaller move at LT and upgrades elsewhere in the roster, and that's just reality. [Reply]
Originally Posted by smithandrew051:
There’s an opportunity cost to every move NFL teams make.
The Chiefs invested big on the IOL, which mostly has worked.
The Defense cost Mahomes a Super Bowl when he had his best offense in 2018. That’s mostly been fixed with a huge investment at all levels.
We’ve seen the Chiefs draft a WR in the top 2 rounds in last 3 drafts. 2 are home runs and 1 is a dud. Chiefs have also made several smaller moves at WR too.
It’s hard to blame the team for Mahomes ending Rice’s season. That alone would’ve been a major addition.
So really, I think there’s 1 key spot that the Chiefs haven’t done enough: LT. Which, to be fair, hasn’t stopped the Chiefs from going to the last 3 Super Bowls and winning 2 of them. That’s the greatest 3 year run in NFL history.
And they invested big on the IOL because their attempt to sign Trent Williams didn't land, and their attempt to keep Orlando Brown, Jr. as their franchise LT was unsuccessful.
Their attempt to land a FA who fixes LT for a long period of time might not land, either. It won't mean they've failed or are complacent or using Mahomes as a crutch. [Reply]
Definitely is an opportunity cost to whatever you do, I’ll say though, if we’re really good in the trenches on both sides, with Mahomes that version of the team is always going to have a great shot.
If you can hang on the OL and DL against all possible opponents, we’re going to be cream of the crop. With cornerstone pieces already in place at WR and DB, it just makes all the sense in the world for Veach to go hard after bigs this spring. I’m not sure he could possibly add to many OL + DL. [Reply]
- Sign Bolton and put LB away as a pressing need
- Bring back Brown at WR to put that position away as a pressing need
- Sign a veteran LT, whether it’s sure starter or someone to compete with Kingsley if they believe he’s still LTOTF
- Sign a couple DL who can at least sure up the depth before draft night
You do that, you can go into the draft and let the board come to you with a high degree of likelihood that you’re going to be plucking off BPAs at positions of need either right now or ones that will be big needs next spring.
Could come away with DT, OL, CB, RB, DE and be stocked for not just ‘25 but beyond as this ‘22 class prepares to break up. [Reply]
If you want to bitch about the team being irresponsible with OL, I would direct that ire towards them shrugging their shoulders and saying "Next man up" to Caliendo.
The Chiefs wanted to develop young guys at tackle. No shame in that. But they should have done the same at guard after Allegretti left, and they assumed an undrafted guy from a couple years ago who had never really shown anything was good enough.
If they were going to play crash post nobodies at LG when moving over Thuney, then they should have rolled with one of their rookies. Nourzad or somebody else. [Reply]