Vote in this poll if you actually live in Jackson county.
We've all shared our opinions in the other thread. But who gives a shit what somebody in Platte County or Johnson County or Phoenix or NYC thinks. We're all just noise. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ghak99:
Technically doesn't matter. Talk with locals. The plans were very much a part of the vote.
We want to do this. Well, we might do that. Shit that won't work, maybe we'll do this. Damn you're mad, we'll do this instead. Look at these pictures! Shit, people are really pissed now. We'll leave that street. Maybe we can do this instead. This went on right up to the day of the vote. It was pure ignorance. The owner's perceived IQ and trustworthiness declined nearly every time he spoke about anything having to do with the stadium plans.
The Chiefs probably had no interest in doing so, but he'd have been better off letting them take the point while shutting up and sending his wife on a months long vacation without access to social media. A picture of a new stadium design with a "we hope to relocate to downtown at some point in the future" would have prevented him from now being ranked right up there with Frank White on the totem pole of city losers.
The idiot simply couldn't read the room's "post property tax debacle" mood.
It is very clear that Sherman is a complete dipshit after this debacle. So something concrete did come out of this whole process [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pablo:
It is very clear that Sherman is a complete dipshit after this debacle. So something concrete did come out of this whole process
Just imagine the Chiefs meeting directly after the Royals/Chiefs meeting where Clark Hunt realized what kind of an idiot he was paired with. He comes off as such a scripted dork most of the time, but I'd bet he had some entertaining comments. [Reply]
Originally Posted by LoneWolf:
It's a sales tax. Anyone who comes to the stadium and buys anything is paying for it. It's not like it is an icrease to real estate taxes just for Jackson County residents. Be for or against the continuation of this tax, I don't really give a shit, but don't act like Jackson County voters are the only ones paying the tax and don't act like it is a huge burden on any taxpayers.
Jackson County voters would pay more. I get it you hillbillies in BFE like to free load ( ethanol, schools, etc) but we arent paying for your shit this time [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pablo:
It is very clear that Sherman is a complete dipshit after this debacle. So something concrete did come out of this whole process
Nothing tops having your wife go all butthurt on facebook after it. [Reply]
I find that a person who purchased the team a couple years ago is already wanting a new stadium and for all intents and purposes threatening to move the team, or at least his wife running her mouth, and it comes across as very Major Leagueish and I don't think you're going to win many fans that way, but that likely wasn't ever the case and this was the intention you wanted from the get go. Doesn't matter where the team is in your mind, as long as you can make the most money off it, you'll Baltimore Ravens a great franchise so you get what you want. It's a problem when rich people buy things you care about, they can tear it apart right in front of you just as easily.
If the Chiefs separate themselves from the Royals and ask for money for renovations, even if they were the same lazy plans, it'd probably pass. Tying themselves to John Sherman is not a good strategy or look. [Reply]
Originally Posted by LoneWolf:
It's a sales tax. Anyone who comes to the stadium and buys anything is paying for it. It's not like it is an icrease to real estate taxes just for Jackson County residents. Be for or against the continuation of this tax, I don't really give a shit, but don't act like Jackson County voters are the only ones paying the tax and don't act like it is a huge burden on any taxpayers.
Jackson county voters are paying the majority of the tax because it applies to our daily lives. Not simply visits to the stadium that outsiders might make a handful of times per year. Residents are paying that tax every single day and it applies to the majority of what we purchase. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ghak99:
Just imagine the Chiefs meeting directly after the Royals/Chiefs meeting where Clark Hunt realized what kind of an idiot he was paired with. He comes off as such a scripted dork most of the time, but I'd bet he had some entertaining comments.
Sherman has better plans than Clark and was going to put up like 3x the money Clark did [Reply]
Originally Posted by Fish:
Jackson county voters are paying the majority of the tax because it applies to our daily lives. Not simply visits to the stadium that outsiders might make a handful of times per year. Residents are paying that tax every single day and it applies to the majority of what we purchase.
And paying 38 cents for every $100 sale was going to break people? What exactly would people have been ok with paying if it meant keeping the teams in the city? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
You still pay far more if you live in that county, it's not like someone from Johnson county is buy their fucking groceries in Jackson county.
It's still under $100/year for a Jackson County resident and in most cases well under that amount. Anyone who is against it just needs to stop using the amount of money being asked for as an excuse for voting "no." [Reply]
Originally Posted by LoneWolf:
It's still under $100/year for a Jackson County resident and in most cases well under that amount. Anyone who is against it just needs to stop using the amount of money being asked for as an excuse for voting "no."
Originally Posted by Fish:
Jackson county voters are paying the majority of the tax because it applies to our daily lives. Not simply visits to the stadium that outsiders might make a handful of times per year. Residents are paying that tax every single day and it applies to the majority of what we purchase.
Fish, the money is inconsequential to the overwhelming majority of Jackson County voters. Stop referring to the money as a reason to vote "no." [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
It was a terrible proposal was it not?
Sure, it lacked details and some assurances (at least from what I have read.) Voting "no" because you didn't like the proposal or had issues with the location of the downtown ballpark is fine. Mentioning the money as a reason to vote "no" is just lazy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by LoneWolf:
Fish, the money is inconsequential to the overwhelming majority of Jackson County voters. Stop referring to the money as a reason to vote "no."
$2B in taxpayer money is not inconsequential by any measure. Especially considering us taxpayers would have had zero input on how any of that amount was to be spent. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Fish:
$2B in taxpayer money is not inconsequential by any measure. Especially considering us taxpayers would have had zero input on how any of that amount was to be spent.
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you were going to have to write a personal check for 2 billion dollars. How much say do you have on where your other tax dollars are being spent? Do you help set any of the county's budgets? [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
And paying 38 cents for every $100 sale was going to break people? What exactly would people have been ok with paying if it meant keeping the teams in the city?
Stop telling people how to spend their money Queen [Reply]