Originally Posted by raybec 4:
I appreciate everyone's opinion but I hardly compare Jones to Overrate. That horse eating roid pumping douche has lost to most of the top guys he's fought. He may be able to plow through Brett Rogers or Andrei Orlavsky but that's not much of a measuring stick.
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO:
not an overeem fan, he HAS lost to most of the top fighters he's fought.
funny how some (not you) bash fedor for not coming to the ufc but dont say a word about overeem
I've been wanting him to come to the UFC for a while. I think it's odd that both he and Fedor don't want to fight in UFC to be honest.
Still a big Fedor fan, but he's 35 now and I don't want him to leave a ? on his legacy by some saying he dodged UFC. Reem is still young enough. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TrickyNicky:
He (Reem) makes too much fighting in Japan to sign exclusively with the UFC. Also, his piss would be so hot, it would melt the cup.
got a link to that? i know he got 400K for winning the K1 tourn. but other than that how much could he be making more than a top ufc guy.
and about the piss..... its hard for me to get behind a guy like that.
i am a penn fan, fedor fan, i like guys that look like anyone you would see walking down the street [Reply]
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
I've been wanting him to come to the UFC for a while. I think it's odd that both he and Fedor don't want to fight in UFC to be honest.
Still a big Fedor fan, but he's 35 now and I don't want him to leave a ? on his legacy by some saying he dodged UFC. Reem is still young enough.
Fedor and Overeem don't need to come to the UFC's heavyweight division right now because Strikeforce has the most stacked HW division right now.
And that was stupid listing his losses and using them against him now because he is clearly not the same fighter. Those were at LHW. He has a frame of a HW and finally gained to where he needs to be. He has absolutely destroyed everybody whos been put in front of him, Brett was still considered top 10. Todd Duffee, formerly a UFC hw prospect who was let go after a ONE loss. absolutely mauled him. KNOCKED OUT FUCKING Iron head Fujita which is really impressive. Mark hunt and others, oh not to mention he is a multiple K-1 world champion, he is the best striker in the entire world and he is an ADCC european champion. Thats how it is stupid. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Shogun:
Fedor and Overeem don't need to come to the UFC's heavyweight division right now because Strikeforce has the most stacked HW division right now.
And that was stupid listing his losses and using them against him now because he is clearly not the same fighter. Those were at LHW. He has a frame of a HW and finally gained to where he needs to be. He has absolutely destroyed everybody whos been put in front of him, Brett was still considered top 10. Todd Duffee, formerly a UFC hw prospect who was let go after a ONE loss. absolutely mauled him. KNOCKED OUT FUCKING Iron head Fujita which is really impressive. Mark hunt and others, oh not to mention he is a multiple K-1 world champion, he is the best striker in the entire world and he is an ADCC european champion. Thats how it is stupid.
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO:
got a link to that? i know he got 400K for winning the K1 tourn. but other than that how much could he be making more than a top ufc guy.
and about the piss..... its hard for me to get behind a guy like that.
i am a penn fan, fedor fan, i like guys that look like anyone you would see walking down the street
I do know that FEG is having problems paying all their fighters and is slowly collapsing like a flan in a cupboard. Which is the UFC's best chance to steal him away. He loves working in Japan, because he is a Bob Sapp-like personality on TV there.
Signing with the UFC would mean 2-4 fights a year at possibly CroCop numbers (200-300K), maybe less to start out. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO:
all thanks to roids.
sorry but thats just the way it is.
No it's not Jason.
As noted, anabolics make you stronger and recover from injuries faster, but they have nothing to do with making you a great fighter. Duffee is on too, but that guy couldn't put away a fat tub of lard in his last UFC fight. A tomato can of a fighter. Lesnar is on, and got beat the hell up by Cain. Lesnar is a pussy of a fighter that can't even take a punch. His GH or roids cant help him be a better stand up fighter. Cain picked his ass apart.
Reem may be on, but really, who cares? Lots of guys are. Fedor isn't, and he's the baddest man alive.
In the end, styles still make fights and roids or not, if a guy is a bad match for you you're going to get your ass whipped. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO:
all thanks to roids.
sorry but thats just the way it is.
Where is your proof?
Lets do some research on Overeem and a UFC HW who has gained outrageous muscle in about the same amount of time as Overeem, and tested clean.
Frank Mir
UFC 100 Weigh-in Results: July 11th, 2009
Brock Lesnar (265) vs. Frank Mir (245)
UFC 107 Weigh-in Results: December 12th, 2009
Frank Mir (264.5) vs. Cheick Kongo (239)
21.5lbs gained in 5 months for Frank Mir.
Lets compare that to...
Strikeforce - November 17th, 2007
Main Card
Paul Buentello (250) vs. Alistair Overeem (224)
Dream 6 - September 23rd, 2008
Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic (225.9) vs. Alistair Overeem (241.8 )
DREAM 12 - October 25th, 2009
James Thompson (126kg / 277.8 lbs)
vs. Alistair Overeem (115kg / 253.5 lbs)
Between the first two weigh ins, 11 months, Overeem gained 17.8lbs.
Between the second and third weigh ins, 11 months, Overeem gained 11.2lbs
In total gaining 29lbs in a little under two years.
As shown here, Frank Mir put on 74% of that weight that took Alistair Overeem 22 months to put on, in 22% of the time.
Originally Posted by Shogun:
Fedor and Overeem don't need to come to the UFC's heavyweight division right now because Strikeforce has the most stacked HW division right now.
And that was stupid listing his losses and using them against him now because he is clearly not the same fighter. Those were at LHW. He has a frame of a HW and finally gained to where he needs to be. He has absolutely destroyed everybody whos been put in front of him, Brett was still considered top 10. Todd Duffee, formerly a UFC hw prospect who was let go after a ONE loss. absolutely mauled him. KNOCKED OUT ****ING Iron head Fujita which is really impressive. Mark hunt and others, oh not to mention he is a multiple K-1 world champion, he is the best striker in the entire world and he is an ADCC european champion. Thats how it is stupid.
Wipe your chin, and I can't believe you actually put Todd Duffee and Mark Hunt as a reason we should all be behind Overeem as a top HW [Reply]
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
Wipe your chin, and I can't believe you actually put Todd Duffee and Mark Hunt as a reason we should all be behind Overeem as a top HW
Well I don't think that Duffee and Hunt are something great to brag about, I think the UFC's HW has been exposed a little.
Lesnar is a bitch and can't take a punch. Has no stand up.
Carwin has no gas.
Mir is a has been.
You got JDS and Cain in there.
If you added Fedor and Reem in there, then you'd have something. But I personally think that Reem would be fine standing with either Cain or JDS. [Reply]