It will be huge if Rob Havenstein is able to go for the Rams tonight against the Cardinals.
At one point, Joe Noteboom was a quality spot-starter. Has not been the case for awhile. Noteboom has two starts in Week 1 and 10. He's allowed 9 pressures + 2 sacks in those games.
Originally Posted by FloridaMan88:
“While Kingsley develops”… :-)
He’s a guard moving forward… at best.
It's too fucking early to say that, man.
We don't know. He might really be that bad. He might just need more time. So many guys came into the NFL looking like him and eventually became starters. And yes, a whole bunch of them failed or never became tackles.
Are you going to write off ALL tackles who struggle in their first seasons as guards at best? [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
It's too fucking early to say that, man.
We don't know. He might really be that bad. He might just need more time. So many guys came into the NFL looking like him and eventually became starters. And yes, a whole bunch of them failed or never became tackles.
Are you going to write off ALL tackles who struggle in their first seasons as guards at best?
Looked at the very least servicable against the Ravens. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Already said it, I could not care any less about PFFs grades. They're worthless numbers regurgitated onto a screen by interns. Actual tangible stats like pressures, hits, and sacks are a different story.
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
It's too fucking early to say that, man.
We don't know. He might really be that bad. He might just need more time. So many guys came into the NFL looking like him and eventually became starters. And yes, a whole bunch of them failed or never became tackles.
Are you going to write off ALL tackles who struggle in their first seasons as guards at best?
Yeah I just don't get how anyone could make that proclamation already
As I've said before, basically only future HOFers show up as rookies and immediately start kicking everyones ass... the rest need 1-3 years to really develop [Reply]
I really don’t think humphries is an option if we plan to bring in a veteran FA for competition. We’re either rolling with status quo next year and hoping he or Kingsley will improve. Or we let humphries walk and bring someone in. He is either on a prove it deal where he can be assured playing time. Or he will want to be paid on a long term deal more than backup money. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
It's too ****ing early to say that, man.
We don't know. He might really be that bad. He might just need more time. So many guys came into the NFL looking like him and eventually became starters. And yes, a whole bunch of them failed or never became tackles.
Are you going to write off ALL tackles who struggle in their first seasons as guards at best?
Andrew Thomas.. a top 5 LT at minimum
Originally Posted by :
As a rookie, Thomas never went more than two straight games without giving up a sack, surrendering a league-high 10 that season. He gave up 57 pressures in 2020 — 14 more than any other lineman, according to PFF. He was, admittedly, a mess.
Darnell Wright sucked as a rookie. Broderick Jones. The list goes on..
This staff felt VERY good about Kingsley going into the year. They don’t just pencil rookies in for starting roles. And he had that. He also just turned 22.
That’s why throwing a ton of assets on another unknown doesn’t make sense. Will he develop into a franchise LT? No idea. But it’s not out of the realm of possibility [Reply]
Originally Posted by Calcountry:
So, given the fact that we have been band aid at oline for a number of years here. How is our Oline coaching? Why did they think Kingsley was ready? Why did they think Humphreys had the rust off him? Why didn't they not scheme more ways to mitigate our weakness in Super Bowl? Eagles were daring us to run and we never bothered. Yeah, the players did their part, but they are downstream of some shitty decisions by the coaches IMHO.
Humphries was forced in out of desperation. And Kingsley looked decent in game one against Baltimore. With no help I may add. There’s reason to believe he looked like he could play into form during camp. It wasn’t smart to come in with no back up plan. I still wonder what it would look like if we work through his growing pains. If we go to the quick game sooner instead of after two left tackles failed it may be a lot different. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch: :-) No it's not. The Rams have two servicable OTs under contract, 38 million in cap, and some significant holes to fill especially as Kupp ages out. They may still tag Jackson but it would leave them with almost nothing to operate with.
The Jaguars have one OT if you even want to count Walker Little and still jettisoned Robinson for quite literally almost nothing mid season.
If you want to count walker little? They jettisoned Robinson to play him. wtf does that mean. Of course you count him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by FloridaMan88:
Willie Roaf… not a free agent, was at the start of a 6 year contract… traded to the Chiefs.
OBJ… not a free agent… traded to the Chiefs.
Think beyond just the current LT UFA’s and draft class since both are mostly trash.
Willie Roaf was coming off of several injuries and was a good bet to never again be what he was in his prime. Dude could barely walk-but he sure could run! We got lucky.
OBJ had taken over for an injured Ronnie Stanley and played well-well enough that he refused to go back to the right side, as it was always his father's dream that he too would play LEFT tackle and make LEFT tackle money. And so he was traded.
and then he thought he deserved more money than we were offering-and since he didn't get what he wanted, he signed with our top rival for less out of spite. So fuck that guy.
Neither of these are great examples for your argument. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
It's too ****ing early to say that, man.
We don't know. He might really be that bad. He might just need more time. So many guys came into the NFL looking like him and eventually became starters. And yes, a whole bunch of them failed or never became tackles.
Are you going to write off ALL tackles who struggle in their first seasons as guards at best?
Yes, because this is Chiefsplanet, the online home of The Dunning-Kruger Effect.
For that matter, does Kingsley LOOK like a guard to you? He doesn't look like the body type to me. He's long and long legged. That doesn't scream 'guard' to me, it says 'tackle'.
I'm not writing him off, but you need at least a stop-gap there. If you sign someone with the intent of being here for multiple years that's fine, too-you can play Kingsley at RT in '26. If he ain't ready by then, he ain't going to cut it period. [Reply]
We don't watch practice. We don't know what the coaching staff thinks. Obviously things didn't go according to plan at LT this season. Much like WR, Plan A and plan B and plan C all failed.
Now, if they and the doctors think Humphries can go with a full offseason in the program I won't gripe. He would be probably the cheapest option, unless a full season of rest and healing up has Bahktiari ready to go.
Stanley's hurt too much for my taste at that price.
Jackson's resume is thin, but that's the highest upside at that price.
Robinson is probably the higher floor.
We will need another excellent draft like '22 to fill holes, so we really can't get into LT range in the draft. Doesn't make sense to take on another project. So that's probably out.
