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DJ's left nut 09:14 AM Yesterday
https://open.substack.com/pub/mnchie...utm_medium=web

I don't typically re-post his stuff because I think you want to support guys trying to freelance like he does. But I think this contributes to conversation enough to be worthwhile.

Spoiler!



It's what many of us have been saying - those folks that are killing the OT play just aren't paying that much attention. Yes, it's been bad at times. No, it's not the primary problem for a great deal many of these games.

On Sunday the issues were overwhelmingly Trey Smith and Patrick Mahomes. The pass protection issues have extended well beyond the OT play. And Patrick Mahomes is the single biggest culprit to the misfiring offense (at least he was in Buffalo and that was just a continuation of what we've seen this season, IMO)
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KC_Connection 08:43 PM Yesterday
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
A big **** you to KC Connection easily the biggest moron on this board. Mahomes hasn't been good this year and that Canadian bundle of sticks tries to say TOP 5 QBR!
So the moron is the one defending the best QB who ever lived and not the one trashing him because of a loss in a meaningless November game, eh?

I wonder how this is gonna play out going forward.
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mr. tegu 08:47 PM Yesterday
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Which part? That Josh Allen has been the better regular season QB since 2020 or that I don't care whatsoever?

Because both are true.

Obviously the idea Allen has been better this decade. It’s a terrible take not based on wins, passer rating, QBR, or really anything.
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ChiefsFanatic 09:40 PM Yesterday
Patrick Mahomes is never and will never be the reason the offense struggles. Well, if he plays until he is 50, his age may become a factor.

Yes, it appears his play, and decision making, and pocket presence is bad this year, but is Mahomes the reason Mahomes is playing poorly?

Come on man, he is the greatest QB of all-time. He did not suddenly forget how to play QB at a high level.

For me, the reason for his poor play is the offensive line, and injuries. And the tackles have been bad, but I believe it is the lack of confidence in his line and his injured ankle (I bet it's about 85% at this point, but nowhere near 100%) and his fear of further injury, that has caused him to fall short of his high standard of play. I feel like he is frustrated that his line continues to be the reason he gets hurt.

Again, I admit he has not played his best, but I just will never blame Mahomes because he threw for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs in his first season as a starter, and until now has established himself as the GOAT in most of our eyes.

How do you blame him for anything? Yeah, he can throw a bad pick, etc. but I will always believe that any time he plays poorly it was either a great effort by the other team, or there are factors we don't know about.
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KC_Connection 09:58 PM Yesterday
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Obviously the idea Allen has been better this decade. It’s a terrible take not based on wins, passer rating, QBR, or really anything.
It's not a take, it's a fact. Perhaps you're just unaware about how good Josh Allen is and has been in the regular season.

Josh Allen (average QBR of 71.9): 76.6 QBR (2020), 66.3 QBR (2021), 73.4 QBR (2022), 70.3 QBR (2023), 72.7 QBR (2024)

Patrick Mahomes (average QBR of 71.0): 78.1 QBR (2020), 67.1 QBR (2021), 79.0 QBR (2022), 63.9 QBR (2023), 67.0 QBR (2024)

Again, why am I or anybody else supposed to give a shit about that given Mahomes' playoff pedigree? Why does anybody give a **** about Mahomes not playing at a MVP level in November?
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PHOG 10:01 PM Yesterday
Mahomes, 4 of the last 5 SBs, winning 3. Allen=nah
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KC_Connection 10:01 PM Yesterday
Originally Posted by PHOG:
Mahomes, 4 of the last 5 SBs, winning 3. Allen=nah
Have you considered that might sort of be my point?
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PHOG 10:06 PM Yesterday
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Have you considered that might sort of be my point?
I haven't read the argument, I just kinda jumped in with the only stats that should matter. :-)
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Titty Meat 10:20 PM Yesterday
Hes played a seasons worth of post season games since he's been the starter I'd think that would have to take a mental and physical toll at some point but losing your top 2 WRs and shaky o-line at play is probably also a factor
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dlphg9 10:40 PM Yesterday
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic:
Patrick Mahomes is never and will never be the reason the offense struggles. Well, if he plays until he is 50, his age may become a factor.

Yes, it appears his play, and decision making, and pocket presence is bad this year, but is Mahomes the reason Mahomes is playing poorly?

Come on man, he is the greatest QB of all-time. He did not suddenly forget how to play QB at a high level.

For me, the reason for his poor play is the offensive line, and injuries. And the tackles have been bad, but I believe it is the lack of confidence in his line and his injured ankle (I bet it's about 85% at this point, but nowhere near 100%) and his fear of further injury, that has caused him to fall short of his high standard of play. I feel like he is frustrated that his line continues to be the reason he gets hurt.

Again, I admit he has not played his best, but I just will never blame Mahomes because he threw for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs in his first season as a starter, and until now has established himself as the GOAT in most of our eyes.

How do you blame him for anything? Yeah, he can throw a bad pick, etc. but I will always believe that any time he plays poorly it was either a great effort by the other team, or there are factors we don't know about.
This is the dumbest shit ever. Yes, he is the reason he's struggling. The guy is one of the highest paid players and is the greatest ever, but we're gonna make excuses that it's the lines fault that he is bailing from the pocket without any pressure? GTFO with that shit. Plenty of guys are out playing him and they have worse OLs than he does.

I know he will do better in the playoffs, but God damn this shit is boring as hell for the most part.
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Chiefspants 10:51 PM Yesterday
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Okay, but teams are now BANKING on that tendency from him. And doing a fantastic job of using it against him.

Goddamn Chargers found the "Blueprint" much more than Fangio ever did. This pressure/flow shit they found is a proooooooblem and of course other teams are now copying it against us.
Yeah, unfortunately with the news of the Harbaugh hiring I was worried they had found their best coach since Marty, and so far they’re shaping up to be a massive pain in the ass in the Harbaugh era.
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TheGuardian 11:05 PM Yesterday
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
This is the dumbest shit ever. Yes, he is the reason he's struggling. The guy is one of the highest paid players and is the greatest ever, but we're gonna make excuses that it's the lines fault that he is bailing from the pocket without any pressure? GTFO with that shit. Plenty of guys are out playing him and they have worse OLs than he does.

I know he will do better in the playoffs, but God damn this shit is boring as hell for the most part.
Yes.

When I went back and looked at the games there's plenty of times where Pat is bailing CLEAN pockets.

My guess is that because the pressure has been bad for so long that he's got a bit of happy feet going.

right now, it's Pat, and Trey Smith.

Pat is def struggling.
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Demonpenz 12:06 AM Today
Mahomes throwing the ball on time would be nice
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ChiefsFanatic 01:28 AM Today
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
This is the dumbest shit ever. Yes, he is the reason he's struggling. The guy is one of the highest paid players and is the greatest ever, but we're gonna make excuses that it's the lines fault that he is bailing from the pocket without any pressure? GTFO with that shit. Plenty of guys are out playing him and they have worse OLs than he does.



I know he will do better in the playoffs, but God damn this shit is boring as hell for the most part.
Yep, sure, the best QB ever suddenly doesn't know how to play the position of QB.

Now that is the dumbest shit ever.

To think that Mahomes built a HOF career in 6 years as a starter, and suddenly can't play the position, is asinine.

Do you honestly believe he would be playing like this with high quality tackles? Because if you think Mahomes is the problem, then you have to believe that.

JTFC people, WTF are you guys not understanding? Mahomes still has every single skill he had before, and hasn't suddenly forgotten how to figure out a defense.

So, if he still has the brains and physical skills, what is your explanation for his poor play? Do you think he sucks? Because he is playing worse than a lot of lower tier QBs.

Do you think he was never really good, and was just lucky the last 6 years?

Yes, he is playing poorly, but because of factors outside of himself. Again, yes, he can throw a bad pass, or a ridiculous pick, but are you really saying he is suddenly not good at football?
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