I just feel like everyone is going to spend all week talking about Mahomes' ankle or Burrow being a Demigod or Chase against this young secondary or Lou Anarumo being a psychopath...and then in the end it's just going to Samaje Perine bludgeoning Bolton and Gay to death.
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
First of all, how are they measuring "under pressure?" Does it seem a bit odd to you that only 5 of the 41 sacks Joe BUrrow took last year were deemed to have been "under pressure" sacks? This looks like PFF data... is that accurate?
Even if we took PFF's read on this as gospel (note: no one should, and it especially doesn't fly around here), the bolded piece is the part at which you should be looking. That's a small separation between Williams and Brown, and a lot of your fellow fans seem to think Brown is a transformative upgrade (and that's understandable, a lot of national pundits believe that, too).
There's also the matter of Burrow being sacked an additional 36 times in 2022 when not "Under pressure" by breakdown, vs. 21 times for Mahomes. That's where the need to escape will REALLY come in with Orlando Brown at LT.
When he faces an outside speed rush of any quality at all, Brown HAS to win ugly by pushing his man wide of the pocket. This is a tactic that works, generally, when you're on schedule and the ball comes out on time. When you have a QB holding the ball and waiting for things to develop down field, it's much more of an issue.
Mahomes and the Chiefs were able to make it work in 2022 and be an efficient offense by getting the ball out quicker, using the RB and multiple TE sets to chip the Es and slow down the outside rush, and having the best G-C-G trio in the NFL, which usually afforded Mahomes space to step up in the pocket.
That recipe wasn't there for Cincinnati a year ago.
And honestly, if this data set is designed to show how often a QB is sacked when his OL gives up quick pressure, I think the story it tells is a NEGATIVE for Cincinnati. If Burrow was sacked 36 times when his line did not give up "quick pressure," adding Orlando Brown Jr. at LT isn't really a fix for that. He's not going to get bull rushed often and give up quick pressure (unless a pass rusher with speed and power has been whipping him to the outside and he starts cheating there, then gets beat across his face), but that secondary pressure where you're 3-4 seconds into the play and the DE has run the arc and is bending back to pursue back towards the LOS is an issue for him.
This story isn't going to end how you and the Bengals think it is.
Yes it's PFF. It's stat compiling, not grades (which are worthless) but i don't know how they determine "under pressure". It seems that every single sack ever recorded would be "under pressure" but...i have no idea. I'm just showing the number of times for each for comparison.
I'd never call OBj a transformative upgrade so other fans can kick rocks. I know he's an upgrade, maybe small but an upgrade.
To the bolded, that's exactly what the Bengals do and like the Chiefs, they had to adapt to 2 deep safety looks, like the Chiefs did the year before. The Bengals don't have deep drop schemes, they're predicated on timing and getting the ball out quick already. If what the Chiefs did for Brown was successful, then he has nothing to worry about because the Bengals already run that offense. Brown already spoke on this himself, about how different the QB drops were going to be and it would be a strength for him.
The very simple fact of the matter is, when Burrow is behind a decent offensive line, he's elite. When he's behind a shit offensive line, he's still very good. It's indisputible by the eye and by the numbers on the page. He may never get a ring because he has Mahomes and the Chiefs in front of him. The Chiefs check more boxes from the top down and Mahomes is the best QB in the game right now. That doesn't change the fact that Burrow and the Bengals are a very real threat to the Chiefs. The biggest threat in the NFL. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
Yes it's PFF. It's stat compiling, not grades (which are worthless) but i don't know how they determine "under pressure". It seems that every single sack ever recorded would be "under pressure" but...i have no idea. I'm just showing the number of times for each for comparison.
I'd never call OBj a transformative upgrade so other fans can kick rocks. I know he's an upgrade, maybe small but an upgrade.
To the bolded, that's exactly what the Bengals do and like the Chiefs, they had to adapt to 2 deep safety looks, like the Chiefs did the year before. The Bengals don't have deep drop schemes, they're predicated on timing and getting the ball out quick already. If what the Chiefs did for Brown was successful, then he has nothing to worry about because the Bengals already run that offense. Brown already spoke on this himself, about how different the QB drops were going to be and it would be a strength for him.
The very simple fact of the matter is, when Burrow is behind a decent offensive line, he's elite. When he's behind a shit offensive line, he's still very good. It's indisputible by the eye and by the numbers on the page. He may never get a ring because he has Mahomes and the Chiefs in front of him. The Chiefs check more boxes from the top down and Mahomes is the best QB in the game right now. That doesn't change the fact that Burrow and the Bengals are a very real threat to the Chiefs. The biggest threat in the NFL.
Burrow is great, yes.
How much did the Bengals chip with RBs last year? I didn’t see that much at all (if at all) in the action I watched, and Brown required that type of help a lot of the time for KC in 22 (less in 21). [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Burrow is great, yes.
How much did the Bengals chip with RBs last year? I didn’t see that much at all (if at all) in the action I watched, and Brown required that type of help a lot of the time for KC in 22 (less in 21).
I don't know specifics right now but from memory, they seem to prefer to get them out in space as a safety valve. Any chipping was more like getting a hand on a guy then getting out in the flat. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
Yeah. It was really ugly between the Bengals and Steelers during the Dalton era, way beyond just shit talk. I like the Chiefs v Bengals rivalry right now because while there is a lot of talk, the teams keep it clean on the field.
Those teams looked like they were literally trying to kill each other on the field. Hell, AB never looked the same since and Juju sent Burfict to space in the game after. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
I just saw a leaked memo from the NFL. Doesn't look good for you.
You're team is full of DBags and you get a lot of shit on here, but honestly you're a pretty decent rival fan poster. Yeah you're gonna talk up your team and get excited about signing what you hope is an upgrade for your defensive line, but at least your not a huge douche rocket like KnowMo or that DickLicks dipshit. [Reply]
