Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Easy 6:
I'm not sure about your age, but it seems very likely that neither of us has ever experienced our own drafted QB take the reins... and not only is he our own, he is the most exciting and sexy mfer since Rodgers
This franchise has taken a quantum leap forward with this move
I'm 58 & I've watched the Chiefs since the 1966 season. I've never seen it either!
I guess Mike Livingston(1968) was the first for me & he wasn't a QB that could lead a franchise even though he went 6-0 in 1969 but that was due to the team he had around him.
It was the downfall of Hank Stram that he never developed a QB after Lenny. Great head coaches need great QB's.
You can blame the Chiefs lack of playoff success for the last 48 years solely at the feet of never developing a franchise QB. [Reply]
This season is the 30th anniversary of the last time the Chiefs had a quarterback they drafted win a game for them. Some of you might remember Brodie Croyle, who went 0-10 to start (and end) his career. He didn’t win one.
It was Todd Blackledge early in the 1987 season. Here is the box score from that game. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KChiefs1:
Great head coaches need great QB's.
You can blame the Chiefs lack of playoff success for the last 48 years solely at the feet of never developing a franchise QB.
All 100% true, for the most part head coaches can only look as good as their QB and surrounding personnel
Brain Bilick looked like the second coming of Bill Walsh when he had Carter, Moss, Smith and a rock solid O line... but right now, Reid has the offensive roster of his wet dreams and its going to pay off [Reply]
Originally Posted by Easy 6:
All 100% true, for the most part head coaches can only look as good as their QB and surrounding personnel
Brain Bilick looked like the second coming of Bill Walsh when he had Carter, Moss, Smith and a rock solid O line... but right now, Reid has the offensive roster of his wet dreams and its going to pay off
HIS "wet dreams"????
MY wet dreams.
Only an offense this potent can out-kick Reid's shitty, shitty, game day coverage. Not even Reid can fuck this one up, thank God. [Reply]
This season is the 30th anniversary of the last time the Chiefs had a quarterback they drafted win a game for them. Some of you might remember Brodie Croyle, who went 0-10 to start (and end) his career. He didn’t win one.
It was Todd Blackledge early in the 1987 season. Here is the box score from that game.
Originally Posted by threebag02:
Blackledge was suppose to be the next coming of Christ
Ya and I guess they didn't take Marino because he had a bad workout and was cursing and Hunt didn't like that. That bit the Chiefs right in the ass. If they took Marino, they would have won a Super Bowl in the 90s. Now, maybe they don't get DT and some of those guys because of how bad they were in the late 80s. But I think Marino would've got one in KC. Shit even Jim Kelly would've possibly won one although he was 0/4 in Buffalo [Reply]
I'm not going to continue to clutter this thread. 8 will, instead, point you to a link that explains how the big bullshit theory violates the first and second laws of thermodynamics. You can read it at your leisure and leave this thread to Mahomes discussion.
Originally Posted by jjchieffan:
I'm not going to continue to clutter this thread. 8 will, instead, point you to a link that explains how the big bullshit theory violates the first and second laws of thermodynamics. You can read it at your leisure and leave this thread to Mahomes discussion.
The Kansas City Chiefs can add players here and there, but really, the only thing that really matters is how well Patrick Mahomes fares as a starter.
Sure, the Chiefs have invested millions in Sammy Watkins and millions more in Anthony Hitchens. They’ve traded away Marcus Peters and placed the leftover hope in Kendall Fuller. They’ve replaced Derrick Johnson and Ron Parker. They’ve taken chances on David Amerson and Damien Williams. They’ll also introduce an entire new draft class of rookies in a few weeks.
None of this matters.
Spoiler!
Yes, there are some issues. And yes, there are some exciting additions. But at least, speaking proportionally, everything pales in comparison to the baton hand-off that’s been in the works for well over a calendar year. With the official trade of Alex Smith and the spotlight placed on Mahomes, the Chiefs have made a move that will cause seismic shifts in the organization’s ability to perform.
Moves for the main move
Perhaps this is why the Chiefs have put in such strong efforts to surround Mahomes with as much talent as physically possible. It’s likely the Chiefs could have gotten by with the wide receivers already in house—with Travis Kelce at tight end, Tyreek Hill running deep routes and Chris Conley, Demarcus Robinson, Jehu Chesson and De’Anthony Thomas rounding out some options. Even with Albert Wilson gone, the Chiefs already had a nice young stable of draft investments who need reps to grow.
Instead, Brett Veach went out and grabbed the best available wide receiver (sorry Allen Robinson, but it’s true) on the market. He’s also invited others to visit in slot receiver Kendall Wright and tight end Ben Watson—signs that Veach might not be done adding more pass catchers to a team that already has to feed plenty of mouths.
That’s because Veach knows one thing matters most: Mahomes’ ability to perform.
Example 1: Jimmy Garoppolo
Midway through the 2017 regular season, Adam Schefter broke major news with a late October shocker: the New England Patriots had finally traded quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo to the San Francisco 49ers. After years of flirting with trading Tom Brady’s back-up, Bill Belichick pulled the trigger and turned the chapter, giving the Niners their supposed franchise QB in the process.
Garoppolo was traded just a bit before Halloween, but no quarterback should step right in and start without getting to know the playbook a bit. The Niners gave him the entire month of November before starting Garoppolo for the final five games of the year. Given that time frame, the 49ers basically started three different quarterbacks over each third of the season. Check out how each measured up with record as a starter in parentheses)
C.J. Beathard (1-4): 55% completion rate
Brian Hoyer (0-6): 58% completion rate
Jimmy Garoppolo (5-0): 67.5% completion rate
Yes, the Niners were a one-win team heading into December. They were 5-0 down the stretch. No, they didn’t import a Sammy Watkins to partner with him. No, they didn’t suddenly heal up from significant injuries. They made a single change at quarterback and it made all the difference, from offensive ineptitude to an ability to match any opponent strike for strike.
In one move, the defense got more rest than ever. The team played with more confidence than before. The coaching staff could execute more of their game plan.
One guy.
Example 2: Deshaun Watson
Lest you think Garoppolo is an outlier, let’s look at a more familiar situation.
During the 2017 NFL Draft, the Houston Texans selected Deshaun Watson two picks after the Kansas City Chiefs traded up to get Patrick Mahomes. For a team with plenty of talent on offense and defense, it was necessary to finally step up and take a quarterback in the hopes of finding a starter after trying an odd circus of options like Tom Savage, Brock Osweiler and more.
Bill O’Brien did his best to stave off starting a rookie in the name of some apparent need to keep them at bay, but the Texans’ QB situation was so bad that Watson ended up subbing into the first game of the season. He never looked back.
Unfortunately, Watson’s season was cut short by an ACL injury suffered during practice that forced him to miss the entire second half of the season.
Deshaun Watson (3-3): 62% completion rate
Tom Savage (1-6): 56% completion rate
T.J. Yates (0-3): 48.5% completion rate
While Watson wasn’t undefeated as a rookie, his productivity was actually light years beyond Garoppolo in terms of offensive impact. In 5 games for the Niners, Garoppolo had 7 touchdowns and 5 interceptions. In 6 starts for the Texans, Watson had 18 touchdowns and 7 interceptions. And after lingering among the division leaders in the AFC South in the season’s first half, Watson’s injury started a skid that led to a basement-dwelling 4-12 record.
Back to Mahomes
There’s no way of knowing if Patrick Mahomes is the real deal, a la Watson or Garoppolo, but here’s what’s important: everyone says that he is. Clark Hunt says he is. Brett Veach says he is. Andy Reid says he is. His teammates say the same.
More importantly, a lot of people have staked their livelihoods on the belief that Patrick Mahomes is the real deal.
If Mahomes isn’t another young quarterback bust, of which there are plenty, and instead is the next face of the franchise, then the Chiefs are going to enjoy a seismic shift in a positive direction. That’s bad news for the rest of the AFC considering that the team was already the class of the AFC West these last two seasons.
There might be holes in various places and positions labeled as “concerns” or “needs,” but let’s be clear about what Mahomes’s potential will allow them to do. Without Garoppolo, the Niners were a single win team. Without Watson, the Texans won 1 more game in 9 contests. With them, they could compete (and beat) anyone in the NFL.
Next: Explaining the Chiefs moves at RB
With Andy Reid at the helm and a potential seismic shift forward at quarterback, the Chiefs might just make the leap we’ve all been waiting for.
Originally Posted by Mother****erJones:
Ya and I guess they didn't take Marino because he had a bad workout and was cursing and Hunt didn't like that. That bit the Chiefs right in the ass. If they took Marino, they would have won a Super Bowl in the 90s. Now, maybe they don't get DT and some of those guys because of how bad they were in the late 80s. But I think Marino would've got one in KC. Shit even Jim Kelly would've possibly won one although he was 0/4 in Buffalo
Somewhat. Marino had a shaky senior season, and was also linked to drug use. He was drafted by the reigning AFC Champion Dolphins in 1983, proof that many teams felt the same way and passed him over.
(Marino and Blackledge is further proof that the hot-shot national Champ isn't always the best choice).
There is no guarantee he could have led us to a Superbowl in the early 90s. The NFC was absolutely STACKED in the 80s and 90s. Marino's Super Bowl team went 14-2, blitzed through the playoffs, but were trounced in the Superbowl by mighty SF. Those Buffalo teams were extremely talented but even they couldn't topple the NFC
Now, I do I think if Marino survived to 1997, and we had that same team=Superbowl. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mother****erJones:
Ya and I guess they didn't take Marino because he had a bad workout and was cursing and Hunt didn't like that. That bit the Chiefs right in the ass. If they took Marino, they would have won a Super Bowl in the 90s. Now, maybe they don't get DT and some of those guys because of how bad they were in the late 80s. But I think Marino would've got one in KC. Shit even Jim Kelly would've possibly won one although he was 0/4 in Buffalo
The question becomes, did we have a real QB staff to coach him up at the time ? I get your point that he would have been successful just based on talent alone BUT you know as well as I do 50% of the battle for a QB coming into the NFL with athletic talent and a great arm is not only the system but being coached up the right way. AR is the first in KC's history to be a legit QB maker IF the kid has at least a brain and a decent arm IMHO. [Reply]
