Historically, including the two times Mahomes has actually won the MVP, the award goes to the quarterback with the gaudiest stats and highlight reel performances.
That's a big reason why, despite his regularly disappearing in the playoffs, Lamar Jackson will be a perennial MVP candidate (until the day he has to retire two seasons from now because his body was snapped in half).
And certainly going by that standard, Lamar should be a frontrunner again this year, alongside Josh Allen. Both QBs are putting up huge stats and making insane plays.
But the QB doing the heaviest lifting this season happens to be the same one who is undefeated.
We saw what happens when a really good QB is deprived of his best weapons yesterday. It was Brock Purdy, and he was largely useless.
Mahomes has made plenty of mistakes but if he cuts down on his most egregious errors, and keeps willing this team to victory after victory, then I absolutely think you have to look at him as MVP. The award is "Most Valuable Player," and Mahomes has proven that even if you kneecap the skill positions all over his offense, he (along with Reid's elite gameplanning) can lead his team to victory after victory.
Naturally, he doesn't care, because he only cares about Super Bowls.
But this guy is the GOAT, and he needs to have a trophy case proving that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Well of course winning is more important, but if Mahomes is playing like an MVP then we're winning and being entertained. Like I said, I'm good with this for a little bit, but God damn I couldn't take several seasons of this kind of football and some people act like they could because all that matters is winning, but at some point winning how we've been winning is just so God damn boring.
The best way I can explain it is by comparing the NFL and XFL. The reason the NFL is so popular and something like the XFL can't stay in business isn't just because people love football it's also the talent level of the players in the NFL make the game fun. So yeah, duh, winning is nice, but watching mediocrity isn't and this offense has looked mediocre since last season.
They are the Cardiac Chiefs and it's been that way ever since Mahomes was the starter in 2018 with a terrible defense and a strong offense. Mahomes was the MVP in 2022 and you squeaked out an ugly win in overtime against a TERRIBLE Houston team because your defense played like shit in that game. It is extremely rare that the Chiefs play great on both sides of the ball. Been the case for 6 years now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Well of course winning is more important, but if Mahomes is playing like an MVP then we're winning and being entertained. Like I said, I'm good with this for a little bit, but God damn I couldn't take several seasons of this kind of football and some people act like they could because all that matters is winning, but at some point winning how we've been winning is just so God damn boring.
The best way I can explain it is by comparing the NFL and XFL. The reason the NFL is so popular and something like the XFL can't stay in business isn't just because people love football it's also the talent level of the players in the NFL make the game fun. So yeah, duh, winning is nice, but watching mediocrity isn't and this offense has looked mediocre since last season.
I think the crux of it that some people don’t want to see is that the issue isn’t necessarily that Mahomes and the offense aren’t top three in the league across a variety of statistical categories, as I don’t think anyone is realistically asking for that. It’s that things are so bad at times that we are missing plays that simply shouldn’t be missed by Mahomes, and mistakes made that shouldn’t happen, regardless of circumstances.
The miss to Worthy being a perfect example. It’s right out of the half, first down, perfect pocket, wide open, you know exactly what you are going to do and it’s simply a terrible miss. Hit that one play and the entire performance becomes a really good one that is both exciting yet efficient, and encouraging about what might come next.
We really just need to see Mahomes and the offense perform much closer to their ceiling and things would look much better for Mahomes and his stats. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I think the crux of it that some people don’t want to see is that the issue isn’t necessarily that Mahomes and the offense aren’t top three in the league across a variety of statistical categories, as I don’t think anyone is realistically asking for that. It’s that things are so bad at times that we are missing plays that simply shouldn’t be missed by Mahomes, and mistakes made that shouldn’t happen, regardless of circumstances.
The miss to Worthy being a perfect example. It’s right out of the half, first down, perfect pocket, wide open, you know exactly what you are going to do and it’s simply a terrible miss. Hit that one play and the entire performance becomes a really good one that is both exciting yet efficient, and encouraging about what might come next.
We really just need to see Mahomes and the offense perform much closer to their ceiling and things would look much better for Mahomes and his stats.
The Chiefs are 6th in offensive DVOA despite facing one of the toughest schedules in football and having no WRs. This really isn’t the issue anybody is making it out to be. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
The Chiefs are 6th in offensive DVOA despite facing one of the toughest schedules in football and having no WRs. This really isn’t the issue anybody is making it out to be.
I think some Chiefs fans believe this is all a dream and as soon as they just enjoy watching, they’ll wake up and it’ll be over.
So they find any reason to ignore the good things the Chiefs are doing and have done, just so they can focus on the bad as if there’s ever been a “perfect team”.
“Just one before I die” Chief Fan simply can’t enjoy things anymore. He’d rather his team suck, so he can dream of winning one. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I'm sure if this was Brady we were talking about - you'd be saying the same thing right?
The MVP does not always go to the player on the best team. That's not an accurate statement at all.
Mahomes leads the NFL in INTs and is ranked 16th for passing yds. His 6 TDs put him at 21st for the season. Stats don't tell the whole story but come on...
He's not the MVP of the NFL thus far this season and it's not really close. He's still the leader of arguably the best team in the NFL and career wise the current best player.... However. season wise, thus far, plenty of players are having better years.
While he’s still the leader of the best team, he’s not even close to the MVP at this point. He’s doing enough to win, and some of his numbers are down due to Hunt getting a lot of TDs in the red zone, but this offense is being carried by the defense. Not sure if that is impacting his performance or not as he’s not playing with his hair on fire like he did earlier in his career. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
I thought this thread was a joke at first. Then I saw that Jackson just surpassed Mahomes as MVP favorite.
Seriously? How the hell is Mahomes even in the conversation? It’s always been a numbers award.
It’s not just a numbers award though. Lamar did not post the best numbers of all QBs last year but he won it because he was the QB of the best team. But while he didn’t have the best numbers, he still had good numbers. Mahomes currently has awful numbers by his standards. He doesn’t need to lead the league in yards and TDs, he just can’t have more INTs than TDs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
While he’s still the leader of the best team, he’s not even close to the MVP at this point. He’s doing enough to win, and some of his numbers are down due to Hunt getting a lot of TDs in the red zone, but this offense is being carried by the defense. Not sure if that is impacting his performance or not as he’s not playing with his hair on fire like he did earlier in his career.
Tbh, we’re a pretty balanced team.
I was looking into the numbers and we’re #10 in offensive yards per game and also #10 in defensive yards per game allowed. The big issue is that we’re #25 in redzone scoring percentage and turning the ball over almost twice per game. That lands us at #13 in offensive PPG and #5 in defensive PPG.
Concerning Pat, we’re actually #12 in passing YPG and #10 in rushing YPG so he’s not really being carried by the running game either. We’re actually only averaging 4.1 YPC on the ground, and that’s including Pat’s rushing yards that bump the average up. Overall, our running game is probably about middle of the pack. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
He's got 6 TDs and 8 INTs for the season and you think he should win MVP?
No way in hell. He's not playing at an MVP level and I'm sure he would be the first to admit that
While these thoughts are facts..... We all know he's the MVP of the league. The NFL did a redo draft, every time out of a 1000 every team would take Mahomes first. That always makes him the MVP regardless of this years performance on the field. [Reply]
I totally understand why until last Mahomes was MVP favourite because he already beat 2 of his 3 biggest Quarterback opponents head to head and just won a Super Bowl rematch. The numbers are way off but the odds are reflecting that he is too good to stay at this level of production all season and that KC are heavy favourites to have the best regular season record across both conferences.
Project forwards and if we can get a bit healthier and go 16-1 then unless Baltimore or Detroit go undefeated until the end of the season to get to 15-2 or better and with the AFC and NFC North both being stacked and likely to beat each other up that seems unlikely.
The real MVP of it was most valuable person would be Spags. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Maybe not at the time.
But it's possible, I'll grant you.
I won't say Marty is the reason he doesn't have a Super Bowl ring. Bad luck can certainly keep some great coaches from getting one (though there's a reason Marty is the first one to come to mind).
However, there's a difference between 'Doesn't have a ring' and 'loses 3/4 of his playoff games'.
Marty went 5-13 in the post-season, fellas. That's AWFUL. That's not bad luck, that's bad coaching.
I mean just go through the ranks of coaching wins. Lets set the cut-off at 100 wins (that's a damn good, but not great career).
There are just a handful of dudes with playoff records as bad/worse than Marty.
Steve Owen: 2-8
Marvin Lewis: 0-7
Jim Mora: 0-6
Sid Gilman: 1-5
George Allen: 2-7
Steve Owen coached in the 30s. George Allen at least won a conference championship.
So you've got Marty, Marvin, Mora and Sid Gilman.
Those...uh...aren't great coaches. And I'm hard pressed to say the rest of that group was even good.
Steve Owen was a great coach, IMO. He built up the Giants and coached in an era when the playoffs was the championship game. He didn't have a chance to pad his record against #6 and #7 seeds. [Reply]