Originally Posted by CoMoChief:
JDS to me didn't look impressive at all against Nelson. He won the fight, but it wasn't pretty by all means. Nelson's just a tough sum bitch.
Should Lesnar defeat Velasquez in Oct, he's going to destroy JDS. As CV would also as well. Then should set up a re-match w/ Carwin sometime mid-late 2011. Or I guess it would also depend on what happens w/ the Mir/Nog fight, which I would love to see Nog pretty much end Mir's dream of a HW title shot. I doubt that happens though.
Ahhh, I disagree. JDS is the perfect guy to defeat Brock. Outstanding boxing skills and ability to avoid being taken down. I think Brock beats Cain, but either way Junior beat the winner of that match IMO. Nelson is a very very good HW that didn't even pose a threat to Santos. Carwin is going to be 37 years old by the time he gets his rematch, I'm not sure he is the same guy and I'm really not sure his conditioning will be improved by then. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Ahhh, I disagree. JDS is the perfect guy to defeat Brock. Outstanding boxing skills and ability to avoid being taken down. I think Brock beats Cain, but either way Junior beat the winner of that match IMO. Nelson is a very very good HW that didn't even pose a threat to Santos. Carwin is going to be 37 years old by the time he gets his rematch, I'm not sure he is the same guy and I'm really not sure his conditioning will be improved by then.
I think it will all depend on whether or not Brock gets him on the ground. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Because Fedor has only 1 career loss and he didn't get dominated for nearly 5 rounds of a fight only to pull one out of his ass at the end. I don't think he is the same dude he was 5 years ago, but he still should be considered a P4P elite.
Shogun has a great resume. 2 Wins over Overeem, a win over a prime Rampage, Little Nog, Arona, etc.... He obviously wasn't the same guy when he first showed up in UFC that he was in Pride. He is also fighting in a much more difficult weight class. Silva fights at the weakest weight class in MMA, probably because he knows he would get his ass handed to him against the elite LH's.
If it had been a close fight throughout then yeah, I say great fight great win, but to get dominated for 23 minutes and then pull one out your ass is less then impressive. Sonnen is obviously the better fighter despite the outcome. I don't know what the hell got into him that has made him improve so much in the year or so, but right now he is the top 185lber in the world in my eyes. He dominated Marquardt, Miller, Okaimi, and Silva in his last 4 fights. Maybe Shields, I don't know.
Jones has destroyed every guy put in front of him so far and I would say Hamill and Vera are both top 15 LHW's in the world. Neither had a chance against the guy. I'm really not sure what the hold up is on him. Then need a fight with him against Machida, Franklin, or Thiago Silva for a shot at Shogun once he puts Rashad to sleep. Although a 3rd Machida-Shogun fight would be worthless since Shogun beat him twice already.
And I once again fail to understand how you credit Shogun for his "resume" and fights he won 5-6 years ago, but then bash Silva for ONE bad fight (which he WON, btw...he didn't get subbed like Fedor and Shogun did, he actually WON his fight. Why are you ignoring Silva's resume? One bad fight wipes out six years and running of being undefeated? Of beating some of the best MW's and LHW's in the world? You must have some irrational hatred of him that I don't understand. Silva has earned the respect to be considered one of the best in the world until he loses..and that hasn't happened yet.
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
OMG. He fought Forrest on a completely bum knee. EVERYONE knows that. The guy could barely walk. He then ran through Machida TWICE (everyone knows that first loss was bullshit). And he'd walk through Silva if silva had the nuts to go to 205 to face him.
I still rank Silva one of the best, but he has most def been exposed as having trouble with great wrestlers and fighting from off his back. This can't be disputed. I also think you have to rank him easily below GSP in the best P4P fighter department.
So Shogun is allowed the injury excuse, but Silva isn't? Even though it was revealed post-fight that he fought against doctor's orders? Even though he was seen pointing to his ribs after the first round? Even though Chael Sonnen admitted afterward that he believes Silva did have bad ribs? Okay.
I don't have a problem with ranking him below GSP, I would too. I just think it's ridiculous to see such a lack of respect shown for a guy who has accomplished what Silva has. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jim Jones:
And I once again fail to understand how you credit Shogun for his "resume" and fights he won 5-6 years ago, but then bash Silva for ONE bad fight (which he WON, btw...he didn't get subbed like Fedor and Shogun did, he actually WON his fight. Why are you ignoring Silva's resume? One bad fight wipes out six years and running of being undefeated? Of beating some of the best MW's and LHW's in the world? You must have some irrational hatred of him that I don't understand. Silva has earned the respect to be considered one of the best in the world until he loses..and that hasn't happened yet.
So Shogun is allowed the injury excuse, but Silva isn't? Even though it was revealed post-fight that he fought against doctor's orders? Even though he was seen pointing to his ribs after the first round? Even though Chael Sonnen admitted afterward that he believes Silva did have bad ribs? Okay.
I don't have a problem with ranking him below GSP, I would too. I just think it's ridiculous to see such a lack of respect shown for a guy who has accomplished what Silva has.
No hatred man. If you are to be a top PRP in the world you don't get man handled like that for 23 minutes. He fights in a soft weight class and the only LHW he beat worth a shit is Griffin who was taylor made for him. I'd say he is the 3rd best MW in the world right now, behind Sonnen and Shields. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
As far as him catching Sonnen, that was more Sonnen's fault than some "slick" BJJ by Silva. Sonnen postured up and left his hands in a lazy position. This is shit you learn in the first week of ground fighting. Truth is all Sonnon had to do was lay on Silva for the 5th round and he's the champ but he chose to fight and I respect that. Silva's reign as champ will be coming to an end soon.
Quick, what do A. Silva, Damian Maia, pre-coke problem Paulo Filho, Jeremy Horn, and Renato Sobral have in common? [Reply]
So I'm thinking once again Edgar speed and stamina are too much for BJ and he takes another decision. BJ might be better off moving up in a weight class or two after this fight.
I'm also seeing Toney getting stopped by ground and pound in about 2 minutes. Obviously Mercer has showed that these guys have a punchers chance, but Randy is too crafty to get caught. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
So I'm thinking once again Edgar speed and stamina are too much for BJ and he takes another decision. BJ might be better off moving up in a weight class or two after this fight.
I'm also seeing Toney getting stopped by ground and pound in about 2 minutes. Obviously Mercer has showed that these guys have a punchers chance, but Randy is too crafty to get caught.
I think if Edgar sees the best BJ Penn he will lose. BJ is up and down though, you never know which one's showing up for the fight. [Reply]
For you diehards, if you haven't seen Jorge Santiago vs Kazuo Misaki II from the past week's Sengoku 14 in Japan... do yourself a favor and find it. Incredible fight and a FOTY candidate for sure. [Reply]
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
I think if Edgar sees the best BJ Penn he will lose. BJ is up and down though, you never know which one's showing up for the fight.
I just don't think BJ has ever fought anyone as quick as Edgar, BJ would be better of taking on bigger guys at this point in his career that are cat quick like Edgar is. I'm not sure even if BJ brings his best he wins, just a bad matchup for him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TrickyNicky:
For you diehards, if you haven't seen Jorge Santiago vs Kazuo Misaki II from the past week's Sengoku 14 in Japan... do yourself a favor and find it. Incredible fight and a FOTY candidate for sure.
Will do. Thanks for the recommendation, dude. Sounds freaking awesome. [Reply]