Historically, including the two times Mahomes has actually won the MVP, the award goes to the quarterback with the gaudiest stats and highlight reel performances.
That's a big reason why, despite his regularly disappearing in the playoffs, Lamar Jackson will be a perennial MVP candidate (until the day he has to retire two seasons from now because his body was snapped in half).
And certainly going by that standard, Lamar should be a frontrunner again this year, alongside Josh Allen. Both QBs are putting up huge stats and making insane plays.
But the QB doing the heaviest lifting this season happens to be the same one who is undefeated.
We saw what happens when a really good QB is deprived of his best weapons yesterday. It was Brock Purdy, and he was largely useless.
Mahomes has made plenty of mistakes but if he cuts down on his most egregious errors, and keeps willing this team to victory after victory, then I absolutely think you have to look at him as MVP. The award is "Most Valuable Player," and Mahomes has proven that even if you kneecap the skill positions all over his offense, he (along with Reid's elite gameplanning) can lead his team to victory after victory.
Naturally, he doesn't care, because he only cares about Super Bowls.
But this guy is the GOAT, and he needs to have a trophy case proving that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Well of course winning is more important, but if Mahomes is playing like an MVP then we're winning and being entertained. Like I said, I'm good with this for a little bit, but God damn I couldn't take several seasons of this kind of football and some people act like they could because all that matters is winning, but at some point winning how we've been winning is just so God damn boring.
The best way I can explain it is by comparing the NFL and XFL. The reason the NFL is so popular and something like the XFL can't stay in business isn't just because people love football it's also the talent level of the players in the NFL make the game fun. So yeah, duh, winning is nice, but watching mediocrity isn't and this offense has looked mediocre since last season.
They are the Cardiac Chiefs and it's been that way ever since Mahomes was the starter in 2018 with a terrible defense and a strong offense. Mahomes was the MVP in 2022 and you squeaked out an ugly win in overtime against a TERRIBLE Houston team because your defense played like shit in that game. It is extremely rare that the Chiefs play great on both sides of the ball. Been the case for 6 years now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Well of course winning is more important, but if Mahomes is playing like an MVP then we're winning and being entertained. Like I said, I'm good with this for a little bit, but God damn I couldn't take several seasons of this kind of football and some people act like they could because all that matters is winning, but at some point winning how we've been winning is just so God damn boring.
The best way I can explain it is by comparing the NFL and XFL. The reason the NFL is so popular and something like the XFL can't stay in business isn't just because people love football it's also the talent level of the players in the NFL make the game fun. So yeah, duh, winning is nice, but watching mediocrity isn't and this offense has looked mediocre since last season.
I think the crux of it that some people don’t want to see is that the issue isn’t necessarily that Mahomes and the offense aren’t top three in the league across a variety of statistical categories, as I don’t think anyone is realistically asking for that. It’s that things are so bad at times that we are missing plays that simply shouldn’t be missed by Mahomes, and mistakes made that shouldn’t happen, regardless of circumstances.
The miss to Worthy being a perfect example. It’s right out of the half, first down, perfect pocket, wide open, you know exactly what you are going to do and it’s simply a terrible miss. Hit that one play and the entire performance becomes a really good one that is both exciting yet efficient, and encouraging about what might come next.
We really just need to see Mahomes and the offense perform much closer to their ceiling and things would look much better for Mahomes and his stats. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I think the crux of it that some people don’t want to see is that the issue isn’t necessarily that Mahomes and the offense aren’t top three in the league across a variety of statistical categories, as I don’t think anyone is realistically asking for that. It’s that things are so bad at times that we are missing plays that simply shouldn’t be missed by Mahomes, and mistakes made that shouldn’t happen, regardless of circumstances.
The miss to Worthy being a perfect example. It’s right out of the half, first down, perfect pocket, wide open, you know exactly what you are going to do and it’s simply a terrible miss. Hit that one play and the entire performance becomes a really good one that is both exciting yet efficient, and encouraging about what might come next.
We really just need to see Mahomes and the offense perform much closer to their ceiling and things would look much better for Mahomes and his stats.
The Chiefs are 6th in offensive DVOA despite facing one of the toughest schedules in football and having no WRs. This really isn’t the issue anybody is making it out to be. [Reply]