They missed Brandon Coleman, starting LT for the Washington Commanders, drafted in the 3rd round this year.
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On the strength of his run blocking. As a pass blocker, he's below average.

Which is precisely what we already knew.

So I'm not entirely sure what your point is here.

Do you believe any of the things that guy said regarding the respective players were WRONG? Would you try to argue that Fashanu, Fuaga, Mims or Guyton have been good this year?

I'd say that's your burden to carry at this point, hoss. To this point you've provided nothing to indicate that any of those guys would've been worth giving up 2 first rounders for.

You bemoan a lack of substance when to this point all you've done is blow past any attempts to speak to whatever argument it is you're trying to make.
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Annoyingly, for the amount of shit we gave Baltimore for drafting Rosengarten over Kingsley, he's been pretty damn solid this year especially for a 2nd day rookie OT.

But really, after Alt, Latham and Rosengarten, nobody in the class has really established themselves. Coleman has the job but by default more than performance. He's been pretty iffy in his own right.
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The problem is Football is such an expensive sport to play compared to things like the NBA's D-League and AAA baseball and the sort, that the NFL doesn't want that kind of money put towards something they can very quietly continue to push on to College Football.
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My understanding is that Coleman is far more pro ready than the guys before him, he fell because scouts thought he was limited athletically.


Can't remember Rosegarten scouting reports but wasn't he supposed to be RT only?

We paid a premium to get a guy like Kingsley because even though he was raw, he had LT upside...
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How else can one set when your offense is constantly in shotgun, your coach puts you on an island virtually every snap and your QB has probably the deepest drop-back point in the league?

We've ALWAYS utilized deep sets. At least since Mahomes took over. That was the biggest worry with Orlando Brown Jr -- did he have the feet to make those deep sets work? That's not a 'weakness' of Taylor, it's a necessity in this offense. He HAS to get back out of his stance and take a deep set.

I won't say an inability to deal with that is a real indictment of Smith necessarily, just another example of him not being an ideal fit here. He just isn't. Thuney doesn't struggle to keep that outside shoulder protected despite having a MUCH worse OT alongside him and dealing with similar problems. Thuney, to this day, is probably the best pass-blocking OG in the league.

Thuney is a dream scenario in terms of skill sets and scheme fit. Smith just isn't.
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If we pay big money to Trey Smith, I’ll be very very confused.
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Two first rounders?!! What draft pick chart are you working off of? Let's use Mims as our example since he's the player we got linked to after the fact. Picked at 18 so you gotta move up to 17 presumably. That's 32, 64, and a day three pick. I'd do that gladly in hindsight. Would kind of suck to lose out on Worthy but currently he and Mahomes mesh about as well as orange juice and toothpaste, and Suamataia isn't even playable. Mims has warts but he's also shown incredible promise and as fucking shit as the Bengals have turned out to be I can't really finger him as a major problem.
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I don't even think that's in the realm of possibility anymore, even at a discount. If Kingsley or Wanya had worked out at LT, then maybe. At this point you're looking at paying probably close to $20 million a year for a guy like Humphries or Armstead.

Trey is goner, and it sucks.
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You can't sustain a payroll like we'd have along the OL. If you pay Trey, I suspect that we'd be tying up ~35% of our Cap on 4 of the 5 OL spots in 2025 and still have a potential hole at LT. I think we should try and re-sign DJ, part ways with Trey and move Wanya to RG. That'd be my move.
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If Trey leaves I expect Nourzad to win the job unless we spend another high draft pick at guard.
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And this is how KC got Taylor at his over market contract...

Which by the way, I don't hold it against BV.
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Oh, you're talking a trade into the late teens, early 20s?

Yeah, there's been a lot of home work done on this front - there's really little utility in it. Statistically, you're better served using 32 AND 64 on developmental tackles than you are trading into the middle of the 1st round.

Once you get past the top 2 OTs in any given draft class, it's a scouting exercise and little more. You're no more likely to find 'the answer' at 18 than you are by taking two swings at 32 and 64.

And you'd be massacring Mims if we'd have traded a 1st and 2nd rounder to move up for him. "Has some warts" is a hell of a lot more diplomatic than you'd be if a guy who all the scouting reports indicated was a RT long-term were to be one of the bottom 1/3 OTs in the league playing RT here. And if he were asked to play LT in THIS scheme, he'd be getting taken to the woodshed just as badly as Morris.

This is a wildly disingenuous argument.
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“Elite” = Trent Williams, Willie Roaf, Orlando Pace, and Anthony Munoz.

Your definition of “elite” is weak if you consider any of those players listed in that same category.
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Huh? He's been pretty damn good even as a rookie outside of the Ravens and Chargers game where he was playing with a high ankle sprain. Outside of those two games he's allowed either one or two pressures.
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