The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.
1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.
2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.
3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.
4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.
5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.
6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.
6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.
7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.
Original post: You can ignore this now.
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Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.
The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.
Here's how the game will work.
Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)
Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.
Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".
Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.
Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.
Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs
If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.
There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.
I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.
So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.
Teams As Of Post #113:
Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)
Added Rules and Reminders:
1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.
2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.
3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.
For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)
For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)
You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
It's interesting that we're all really desperate for receivers, and we're all taking very different paths to address that need. It'll be fun to see whose approach comes out on top.
It is interesting. I thought hard about doing a near blend of what the two of you did and going with Coleman and Corley but I feel like I got two of my favorite prospects by grabbing Worthy and Franklin. It could blow up in my face but I'm rolling the dice.
I initially wanted pick 144 to grab Ainias Smith but I like Nourzad so much that I just couldn't do it and settled on Malik Washington who might just be the better prospect overall anyhow. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Kellerfox:
Welp, one of my hopeful breakout player of the year (Drew Sanders, LB, Broncos) tore his Achilles today. Not a great start to the year.
Well, at least he's a bronco, so it's not all bad news. [Reply]
Feel pretty good about my offense overall with All-pro caliber players at QB, RB, TE, OG, and OC. WR is missing a standout, but has quite a bit of depth as a whole. Mahomes will be able to cook.
Defense is a bit spotty. My draft picks have either developed into JAGs or suffered from repetitive injuries limiting their development. [Reply]
As a preface, I am accepting the trade of a 2025 7th round pick for DE Cameron Thomas. I am very pleased with the roster and had to make some difficult roster cuts this year (see Notable Cuts). Bold denotes my projected starters.
QB Patrick Mahomes II D1-10/17 (KC)
QB Carson Wentz KC FA/24 (KC)
RB Aaron Jones D5-180/17 (MIN)
RB Tyler Allgeier D4-135/22 (ATL)
RB Rasheen Ali D5-160/24 (BAL)
TE Travis Kelce
TE Cade Otton D3-103/22 (TB)
TE Jared Wiley D4-131/24 (KC)
TE Noah Gray D5-162/21 (KC)
WR Hollywood Brown FA/24 (KC) WR Gabriel Davis D4-125/20 (JAX) WR Xavier Worthy D1-28/24 (KC)
WR Tyler Boyd D2-37/16 (TEN)
WR A.T. Perry D5-169/23 (NO)
WR Troy Franklin D3-95/24 (DEN)
WR Malik Washington D5-173/24 (MIA)
LT Bernhard Raimann D2-62/22 (IND) LG Joe Thuney FA/21 (KC) OC Erik McCoy D2-48/19 (NO) RG Trey Smith D6-221/21 (KC) RT Jawaan Taylor FA/23 (KC)
LT Rasheed Walker D7-233/22 (GB)
LG Teven Jenkins D1-31/21 (CHI)
OC Hunter Nourzad D5-144/24 (KC)
RT Ethan Driskell UDFA/24 (KC)
ER Matt Judon D4-129/16 (ATL) ER George Karlaftis D1-30/22 (KC)
ER Jaylen Harrell D7-252/24 (TEN)
ER Cameron Thomas T7-ARZ/24 (KC)
ER Charles Omenihu FA/23 (KC)
ER K.J. Henry D4-134/23 (CIN)
SS Justin Reid KC FA/22 (KC) FS Jessie Bates III D2-52/18 (ATL)
SS Amani Hooker D4-116/19 (TEN)
FS Anthony Johnson Jr. D6-217/23 (NYG)
SK Harrison Butker FA/17 (KC)
SP Matt Araiza FA/24 (KC)
LS James Winchester
Notable Cuts:
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OC Bradley Bozeman D6-198/18 (LAC) - I've had him around a while and he's a starter again in LA, but he's a liability in pass pro and I'm moving on to see if my young guys can grow.
OT Carter Warren D3-100/23 (NYJ) - I'm giving up on Warren earlier than I probably should, but the ascension of Rasheed Walker makes this easier. Warren looked like he regressed hard this offseason, looking certifiably lost at times. He might need to move inside to guard but even then he's a project I'm choosing not to wait on.
RB Eric Gray D5-166/23 (NYG) - Gray looked terrible last year and didn't do much to inspire me this offseason. He's a big reason I spent another 5th on a RB this year.
ER Ogbonnia Okoronkwo D5-159/18 (CLE) - Like Bozeman, Okoronkwo is serviceable but he's not great. I'd rather take a chance on my young guys developing at this point. I'm really excited about Harrell and think he could be every bit the rotational pass rusher Oko is.
WR Donovan Peoples-Jones D5-177/20 (DET) - I thought I caught lightning in a bottle two years ago but DPJ has regressed and now he's on Detroit's PS. I spent a lot on the WR position so it's time to see the young guys through.
WR Justyn Ross D7-251/22 (KC) - Ending up on the PS again sealed Ross' fate for me but he may not have made my team anyhow with my influx of youth.
DB Christian Roland-Wallace UDFA/24 - Roland-Wallace could end up a nice story and good player but I'm fairly stacked at safety. I'm going to give Anthony Johnson Jr another year as he looked good last year before being unbelievably cut by the Packers this year.
RB Carson Steele UDFA/24 - I like Steele and he looks like a hammer but I just don't have room to keep him around.
RG Christian Mahogany D6-208/24 (DET) - It's not often I'll cut one of my draft picks that same season but I just couldn't let Ethan Driskell go based on his camp and it's a numbers game with 4 TEs and 7 WRs making my cut. Guards are a dime a dozen and Mahogany hasn't been available. I might regret this some day, but I'm confident I can find a guard if needed.
RB Samaje Perine FA/24 (KC) - I love what Perine brings to the table but I chose to keep my 4 TEs instead of 4 RBs.
QB
Russell Wilson (Steelers)
Aidan O'Connell (Raiders)
Carson Wentz
Notable cuts: Blaine Gabbert, but that's expected.
Russell won the starting job in Pittsburgh, and O'Connell lost the starting job in Las Vegas. I'm serviceable here but at some point I need to figure out how to get a new starter.
Major talent infusion this year with Brown, Mitchell, and Corley, and re-signing JuJu. This was a major weakness last year, and I actually like the group this year.
TE
Travis Kelce
Grant Calcaterra (Eagles)
Zach Kuntz (Jets)
Notable cuts: Irv Smith, Jr., rejected trade for Peyton Hendershot
Calcaterra has worked his way up to second string. I should cut Kuntz in favor of some more deserving players, but I need three TEs and I know he's a developmental case.
OT
Jawaan Taylor
Morgan Moses (Redskins)
Orlando Brown, Jr. (Bengals)
Walter Rouse (Vikings)
Notable cuts: Ethan Driskell, Donovan Smith. I hated cutting Driskell, but it's a numbers game.
Good group here. Reliable veterans, and Rouse has become a second-string LT as a rookie.
G
Joe Thuney
Wyatt Teller (Browns)
Trey Smith
I have a strong group here.
C
Cody Whitehair (Raiders)
Sedrick Van Pran-Granger (Bills)
Whitehair is a guard now, but he was a long-time center. I'll play him here since the rookie apparently underperformed and is currently third-string for the Bills. Whitehair is fine here.
Specialists
K - Harrison Butker
LS - James Winchester
P - Matt Araiza
Townsend left, and Punt God arrived. We're good.
Safeties
Andre Cisco (Jaguars)
Justin Reid
Jordan Poyer (Bills)
Coby Bryant (Seahawks)
I've had this corps in place for a while. Poyer has been here forever. This is a strong group.
CB
Joey Porter, Jr. (Steelers)
Amik Robertson (Lions)
Caelen Carson (Cowboys)
Kalen King (Packers)
Notable cuts: Marcus Peters, Shaun Wade, Desmond King
This is an area of major concern. Peters is gone, and King was a nickel back for a long time. Porter is strong, but I'm going to rely on the rookie Carson to play the other outside position while Amik plays nickel. My only depth is King, a practice squad rookie. The good news is that Carson played his way up to second string in Dallas as a rookie.
OLB
Leo Chenal
Henry To'oTo'o (Texans)
Drue Tranquill
Zach Baun, LB (Eagles)
Notable cuts: Anthony Nelson. He was a very serviceable backup, but I didn't have a roster spot for him once Baun won a starting job.
I've actually got some talent here now. Chenal and To'oTo'o are good OLBs and Tranquil is strong depth. Baun appears to finally be developing and will be starting in Philadelphia.
ILB
Ivan Pace (Vikings)
Nakobe Dean (Eagles)
I thought Dean was a no-brainer pick, but he's having trouble getting onto the field. Meanwhile, Pace was a huge scouting win for me and is a good starter.
DE
George Karlaftis
Dorance Armstrong (Commanders)
Charles Omenihu
Cedric Johnson (Bengals)
Myles Cole (Jaguars)
Notable cuts: Yetur Gross-Matos, DE (49ers), rejected trade for Cameron Thomas.
My starters are strong. Omenihu will be good depth when he returns, and I have two rookie developmental guys. Not a lot of depth here in the short term. I hate to cut Gross-Matos. He was probably the 54th guy on the roster.
DT
Andrew Billings (Bears)
Tershawn Wharton
Dewayne Carter (Bills)
Zacch Pickens (Bears)
Adetomiwa Adebawore (Colts)
Moro Ojomo (Eagles)
Notable cuts: Kalia Davis. I'm giving up on him too early, but there's too much competition at this spot.
I keep drafting guys, but Billings and Wharton keep holding on to the starting spots. I have four 1st or 2nd year players behind them, and I'm hoping some of them will step up. This is not a strong position group, but I'm hoping it'll grow and develop. [Reply]
My offense has the potential to be pretty good if I can get good play out of Russell Wilson and my wide receivers. Worst case, my big strong offensive line will pound out a strong running attack with a platoon of diverse running backs.
My defense is talented and very young. We've got some big areas of vulnerability at CB and DT right now, though. This will be a growing year for the defense, but I think they've got the potential to be really strong. [Reply]
At QB, Mahomes has been off but he's still Mahomes. Wentz hasn't played.
At RB, Aaron Jones is as solid as they come and Allegier is a good backup. We're not setting the world on fire running the ball but our 1,547 rushing yards would be in 6th place right now.
My WR corps is anemic with Worthy as my top WR. Gabe Davis is sucking ass in Jax, Hollwood is in the tub, tyler Boyd is playing with a young QB and the rest of my crew hasn't really come of age. Thank goodness I have 3 competent TEs that have combined for 1,377 yds to my WR's 1,101. Overall, our 2,819 yards through the air would be among the tops in the league even after adjusting for sack losses.
My offensive line is nails, honestly. Bernhard Raimann has quietly developed into one of the leagues top left tackles and has only surrendered 5 pressures and 1 sack this season. Rasheed Walker is also a very capable starter at left tackle, giving up only 2 sacks on the year but strugging with conceding pressure, and would likely be my default starter over Jawaan Taylor on the right side who has given up 5 sacks and been pretty meh. Erik McCoy continues to be a staple at center and one of the elite in the league. Trey Smith is as solid as they come at RG despite his recent struggles with pressure. Thuney is probably the best interior offensive lineman in the league, enough said. Teven Jenkins has been extremely solid at LG but has given up 3 sacks. That said, he's a backup on this team which is pretty great quality. I don't know much yet about Nourzad and Driskell though I was pleasantly surprised by Driskell in pre-season.
My defensive line is absolutely stacked with 4 capable starters. This group honestly allows for a really good 3-4 front if only I had more horses at ER. The edge gets a bit hairy with Judon having a down year and my youngsters not really coming of age.
I have a great LB corps led by Logan Wilson. He's just a machine out there. Tranquill and McDuffie provide really solid options at OLB. Chenal can step in and be a force against the run. If Holcomb ever gets healthy again, this group would be otherworldly.
My CB group is definitely something to be desired this year. Sneed and Adebo have been banged up and Benford and Murphy are giving up safety numbers in completion percentage right now. I'm hoping these guys get it together or I might need to inject some talent. Kelee Ringo hasn't developed, and I think he might eventually move to safety.
At safety, Justin Reid has been nothing short of atrocious in pass defense which really hampers an otherwise great unit. Jessie Bates is his usual all-everything self and Hooker is having a good year, especially in coverage. Anthony Johnson needs to step up though or he might be out next year.
Special teams are great with Butker, Araiza, and Winchester.
Here are the stats:
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QB Patrick Mahomes II D1-10/17 (KC) - 11 g 11 gs 266/381 69.8%, 2,673 yds, 18 td, 11 int, 44 att, 227 yds, 1 td
QB Carson Wentz KC FA/24 (KC) - 1 g 0 gs
TE Travis Kelce - 11 g 11 gs 68 rec, 569 yds, 2 td, 1 att, 1 yds
TE Cade Otton D3-103/22 (TB) - 11 g 11 gs 50 rec, 486 yds, 4 td, 1 att, -4 yds
TE Jared Wiley D4-131/24 (KC) - 7 g 2 gs 1 rec, 7 yds
TE Noah Gray D5-162/21 (KC) - 11 g 7 gs 27 rec, 315 yds, 4 td
WR Hollywood Brown FA/24 (KC) - IR
WR Gabriel Davis D4-125/20 (JAX) - 10 g 9 gs 20 rec, 239 yds, 2 td
WR Xavier Worthy D1-28/24 (KC) - 11 g 8 gs 28 rec, 353 yds, 4 td, 11 att, 49 yds, 2 td
WR Tyler Boyd D2-37/16 (TEN) - 11 g 7 gs, 273 yds, 0 td, 1 att, 3 yds
WR A.T. Perry D5-169/23 (NO) - 0 g 0 gs
WR Troy Franklin D3-95/24 (DEN) - 11 g 5 gs 19 rec, 190 yds, 2 td, 2 att, 8 yds
WR Malik Washington D5-173/24 (MIA) - 8 g 1 gs 8 rec, 46 yds, 4 att, 36 yds, 1 td
LT Bernhard Raimann D2-62/22 (IND) - 9 g 9 gs
LG Joe Thuney FA/21 (KC) - 11 g 11 gs
OC Erik McCoy D2-48/19 (NO) - 4 g 4 gs
RG Trey Smith D6-221/21 (KC) - 11 g 11 gs
RT Jawaan Taylor FA/23 (KC) - 11 g 11 gs
LT Rasheed Walker D7-233/22 (GB) - 11 g 11 gs
LG Teven Jenkins D1-31/21 (CHI) - 10 g 10 gs
OC Hunter Nourzad D5-144/24 (KC) - 11 g 0 gs
RT Ethan Driskell UDFA/24 (KC) - 1 g 0 gs
DL Nnamdi Madubuike D2-64/20 (BAL) 11 g 11 gs 26 tkl, 7 tfl, 11 qbh, 5.0 sk
DL Zach Sieler D7-219/18 (MIA) - 9 g 9 gs 31 tkl, 7 tfl, 9 qbh, 4.0 sk
DL Mazi Smith D1-31/23 (DAL) - 11 g 11 gs 28 tkl, 3 tfl, 1 qbh
DL Dante Stills D6-209/23 (ARZ) - 10 g 4 gs 30 tkl, 4 tfl, 5 qbh, 4.5 sk
DL Desjuan Johnson D7-249/23 (LAR) - 4 g 0 gs 4 tkl
ER Matt Judon D4-129/16 (ATL) - 11 g 10 gs 31 tkl, 3 tfl, 4 qbh, 2.5 sk
ER George Karlaftis D1-30/22 (KC) - 11 g 9 gs 26 tkl, 5 tfl, 16 qbh, 4.0 sk
ER Jaylen Harrell D7-252/24 (TEN) - 11 g 0 gs 10 tkl, 2 tfl
ER Cameron Thomas T7-ARZ/24 (KC) - 4 g 0 gs
ER Charles Omenihu FA/23 (KC) - IR
ER K.J. Henry D4-134/23 (DAL) - 2 g 0 gs 3 tkl, 1 tfl, 1 qbh, 1.0 sk
LB Logan Wilson D2-63/20 (CIN) - 11 g 11 gs 104 tkl, 2 tfl, 4 qbh, 2 ff
LB Drue Tranquill FA/23 (KC) - 11 g 11 gs 61 tkl, 4 tfl, 6 qbh, 1.5 sk
LB Leo Chenal D3-94/22 (KC) - 11 g 9 gs 38 tkl, 3 tfl, 1 qbh, 1.0 sk, 2 ff
LB Cole Holcomb D5-167/19 (PIT) - IR
LB Isaiah McDuffie D6-208/21 (GB) - 11 g 11 gs 61 tkl, 1 tfl, 3 qbh, 0.5 sk
