Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Why else do folks think these average LTs get paid $20 million?
Average will play. It's gonna HAVE to play unless we get unbelievably lucky.
I mean Cam Robinson is going to be a free agent this off-season. The Vikes ain't tagging him with Darrisaw coming back. Robinson would be someone we would HAVE to look at. And he's going to cost a ton.
But I'd sign Cam Robinson over Trey Smith 100 times out of 100.
Because he'll pass protect. And do it well.
Hopefully Trey Smith has played himself out of any potential extension. [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
I mean could we luck into a Dion Dawkins type? He was a day two pick. Would kill to have that level of LT.
We just aren't hitting for shit on those picks so far.
Again - THAT'S the issue. Not that we've never been in a position to find a LT - we just haven't taken the right ones or developed them well.
And it's not just the OTs we've taken vs. the ones we haven't. I mentioned taking Cook ahead of Raimann but we took Skyy Moore ahead of Luke Goedeke as well.
We just have to scout/draft/develop the OTs better. We're not doing a good job of it.
It's not a question of capital -- its execution. We're doing a bad job there. [Reply]
What is 'legit competition' for a RT making $25 million next season? When we don't have a LEFT tackle at all?
This is just silly.
Garrett Bolles had the same exact problem. He struggled against Garrett like Taylor did against Crosby. Gave up multiple pressures and had 2 penalties.
These coaches aren’t dumb. Andy is not going to get rid of a tackle that is consistently good in pass pro penalties be damned.
And you can be sure as shit that Sean Payton will 100% keep Garrett Bolles after his contract ends this season bc he sure as hell does not want his new QB turned to shit.
These guys have massive value. That’s how ****ing bad the Tackle crisis is in this league [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Taking time to develop is different than being unplayable.
Garrett Bolles was every bit as bad his rookie year and going into his second. He's now one of the best LTs in football. Kingsley looks unplayable after a whole 2 games of snaps. Developing players takes time and investment. If we traded up right now and got an Eric Fisher type, people would be PISSED. It took 3 years for him to look decent. He couldn't even play LT his rookie year. And he was the first overall pick for God's sake. [Reply]
What is 'legit competition' for a RT making $25 million next season? When we don't have a LEFT tackle at all?
This is just silly.
I'd have someone Andrew Wylie-ish who can take his spot for a game if he can't line up right.
It's just ignorant as ****. He's a fine pass blocker, but he clearly doesn't think so or he wouldn't have to line up in the backfield to do his job even when he knows he's risking a penalty.
How many sacks has he more or less cost us in terms of penalty yardage? I'm just over it. I want someone who is capable so they can yank his ass whenever he gets called for it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Garrett Bolles was every bit as bad his rookie year and going into his second. He's now one of the best LTs in football. Kingsley looks unplayable after a whole 2 games of snaps. Developing players takes time and investment. If we traded up right now and got an Eric Fisher type, people would be PISSED. It took 3 years for him to look decent. He couldn't even play LT his rookie year. And he was the first overall pick for God's sake.
Kolton Miller gave up 3 sacks in back to back weeks early this rookie season. He gave up a league leading 16 sacks and 65 pressures. Wasn’t even in PFF’s top 60 tackles his rookie season.
Imagine if we traded and up and got this type of play early on? This place would melt down so hard.
Miller is one of the better pass protecting LT’s now btw [Reply]
His first year he was TRASH. His 2nd year he was mediocre at best. In his third year and beyond, he's been one of the better pure pass protecting OTs in football (and not a bad run blocker).
That's just the way OTs develop. The overwhelming majority are hot spiced ass early in their careers and you just have to power through it.
EDIT: DAMN YOU, RUN! Beat me by seconds to the Miller comp... [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
I'd have someone Andrew Wylie-ish who can take his spot if he can't line up right.
It's just ignorant as fuck. He's a fine pass blocker, but he clearly doesn't think so or he wouldn't have to line up in the backfield to do his job even when he knows he's risking a penalty.
How many sacks has he more or less cost us in terms of penalty yardage? I'm just over it. I want someone who is capable so they can yank his ass whenever he gets called for it.
If we have Andrew Wylie on this roster we need to be playing him at left tackle at this point.
That's the issue. We have a dire need at the LT position and a guy in Taylor who is an above average pass blocker who will, once a game, get you an annoying 5 yard penalty.
RT is one of the LAST things we should be worried about right now. Shit, RG has been a bigger problem than RT. DE is a mess. The secondary evidently fell apart when Watson went down so the depth there is awful. Bolton is a pending FA and Tranquil is aging in dog years. Brown and Hopkins are pending FAs, Kelce is as likely to retire as he is get 800+ yards next year. Rice is coming off a knee injury with a possible suspension looming.
You really think this team has any business at all putting any capital, draft or cap, into a potential replacement for Jawaan Taylor?
I reiterate - you have GOT to get over this. It's not the issue you're making it. It's of far far FAR lesser concern than at least a dozen other issues we're going to have for the remainder of this season and into next season. [Reply]
The tackle crisis in the league is due to the prevalence of spread formations in college. Very few of these guys play in "NFL" offenses in college anymore. Almost all of them need development. It's just the nature of the game. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Kolton Miller gave up 3 sacks in back to back weeks early this rookie season. He gave up a league leading 16 sacks and 65 pressures. Wasn’t even in PFF’s top 60 tackles his rookie season.
Imagine if we traded and up and got this type of play early on? This place would melt down so hard.
Miller is one of the better pass protecting LT’s now btw
Andy is not giving up on Kingsley. He just needs more reps and will get better (fingers crossed). [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch: :-) I love the whinging about how expensive any trade up will be. Yeah, no fucking shit, we're seeing first hand exactly why this year. One of the best QB talents in history has regressed horribly in large part because the LT play has been so shit, and yet the solution for some of you guys is to desperately hope they sign Humphries to a long term deal before he's even played a single snap?!?
Fuck bringing in another broke dick veteran. Fuck putting all the eggs into hoping that Kingsley can develop past completely worthless. Fuck signing one of the mid free agents to top tier money. Get the fuck up there and fix this shit once and for all.
Wasn’t it you that was on the “F them picks” train before the draft for KC trading whatever it took to get a WR? Had we done that then we would be short the picks needed to move up for a LT. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
Wasn’t it you that was on the “F them picks” train before the draft for KC trading whatever it took to get a WR? Had we done that then we would be short the picks needed to move up for a LT.
Heh? No? I memed about it back when it was rumored we wanted Jameson Williams but other than that nope. [Reply]
