I feel like Andy is probably fed up with Taylor's issues enough by now that he even looks to bring in legit competition for him too next spring. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
One could argue that if a guy needs YEARS worth of development, taking him in the 2nd round probably isn't a good idea.....
Of course. But it's already done and the best path forward is shutting him down completely until he's ready to start, if that ever happens. The way he was getting wrecked against Denver wasn't just poor technique, that was a kid playing with completely shattered confidence. Looked downright shellshocked at times. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
One could argue that if a guy needs YEARS worth of development, taking him in the 2nd round probably isn't a good idea.....
Hate to tell you this bud but that’s almost every LT no matter where they are drafted.
Kolton Miller
DJ Humphries
Garrett Bolles
Bernhard Raimann
Jordan Malaita
Eric Fisher
Jake Matthews
None of these guys were ass kickers coming out of the gate. They all took time [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch: :-) I love the whinging about how expensive any trade up will be. Yeah, no fucking shit, we're seeing first hand exactly why this year. One of the best QB talents in history has regressed horribly in large part because the LT play has been so shit, and yet the solution for some of you guys is to desperately hope they sign Humphries to a long term deal before he's even played a single snap?!?
Fuck bringing in another broke dick veteran. Fuck putting all the eggs into hoping that Kingsley can develop past completely worthless. Fuck signing one of the mid free agents to top tier money. Get the fuck up there and fix this shit once and for all.
If their 2nd round LT is so bad that he's unplayable, what gives you any faith at all that they can just pick higher and take the right guy?
There's no unifying logic here. People want to say "trade up because our 1st round picks suck anyway". Well if our first round picks suck, and we can't identify LT talent, why would you give up multiple 1st's for a guy that's likely to fail? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I can't claim to have really dug through the tape on the guy.
But I also take some exception to the idea that Smith had long stretches of ass last season. He was always just...credible. Sure, had some bad games, but so will DJ.
Now might Humphries be better than what Smith could offer this year having aged another season and sat out this long? Sure. But I think you should place a reasonable baseline for Humphries at where Smith played last season. If you expect more than that from a guy who's coming off a serious knee injury and who's career was...solid...well that just seems unwise.
He's going to have to be part of a solution (along with Pacheco and the return of Brown, and hopefully additional confidence from Pat/chemistry with Worthy). But he's not going to be a panacea. At his best, he wasn't THAT good. He was really good in 2020 but otherwise he's been...solid. A Cam Robinson sort of guy who's a better pass blocker than run blocker but not ELITE pass blocker. For that matter, he's been similar to Taylor over his career.
As I said in the other thread, I think Taylor caliber play on the left side is the MOST you can reasonably ask from him.
If he can be Smith without the penalties, he's a big upgrade. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
If their 2nd round LT is so bad that he's unplayable, what gives you any faith at all that they can just pick higher and take the right guy?
There's no unifying logic here. People want to say "trade up because our 1st round picks suck anyway". Well if our first round picks suck, and we can't identify LT talent, why would you give up multiple 1st's for a guy that's likely to fail?
Odds are exponentially higher that you're going to find a guy that's at least playable with the potential to develop that high. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
The issue is everyone wants elite.
How about "don't suck and get immediately beat off the snap" and work back from there?
Why else do folks think these average LTs get paid $20 million?
Average will play. It's gonna HAVE to play unless we get unbelievably lucky.
I mean Cam Robinson is going to be a free agent this off-season. The Vikes ain't tagging him with Darrisaw coming back. Robinson would be someone we would HAVE to look at. And he's going to cost a ton.
But I'd sign Cam Robinson over Trey Smith 100 times out of 100.
Because he'll pass protect. And do it well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Nobody wants to develop LT’s. It’s an incredibly difficult job and there are countless examples of players needing time to develop.
Someone mentioned the Raimann kid from the Colts. That guy got absolutely baptized in Denver a couple years ago. He looked ****ing terrible just like Kingsley. He gave up pressure on almost 7% of his pass plays early on (top 3 worst rates in the league) and he improved massively to under 6% the next season.
The history is there. I don’t understand why everyone is so quick to throw Kingsley in the trash.
You're right. Even the best of the guys that have been mentioned took 2-3 years to develop. People want to give up on a late 2nd rounder - imagine if we traded up in the first and got a Kingsley project. This place would implode. [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
I feel like Andy is probably fed up with Taylor's issues enough by now that he even looks to bring in legit competition for him too next spring.
Please.
You fellas have got to get over this shit.
What is 'legit competition' for a RT making $25 million next season? When we don't have a LEFT tackle at all?
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Hate to tell you this bud but that’s almost every LT no matter where they are drafted.
Kolton Miller
DJ Humphries
Garrett Bolles
Bernhard Raimann
Jordan Malaita
Eric Fisher
Jake Matthews
None of these guys were ass kickers coming out of the gate. They all took time
Exactly.
If you draft a LT in the 2nd round and he's a starting caliber player by his THIRD season, you're in good shape. As good as can be reasonably expected anyway.
I think we have to recognize how few of these guys are ready to play in any meaningful way as rookies. [Reply]
