One of the best WR prospects at the catch point and winning leverage mid-route. He consistently sets up defenders to put them on his back, locates the ball, and attacks it at the highest point.
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Somewhat misleading, in that Mahomes' number 1 receiver wasn't Tyreek, it was Travis. Take Kelce away, and Mahomes might not do as well. I doubt he'd have as large a drop-off as what happened with Rodgers, but Pat also has other advantages that Rodgers didn't have last season. Like Andy. And youth. [Reply]
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
Agreed, IMO Brady was never the best QB in the league at any point in his career.
I'd say it was never undisputed, but from about 2010 through 2017, he was pretty much a goddamn monster. I've mentioned it before, but Rodgers seemingly always gets a pass for the times he came up small in that stretch despite being in his prime and having a ton of weapons around him.
Manning was post neck-surgery and mostly a shell of himself. Brees, a guy I am simply in awe of from a precision standpoint, also shit the bed a ton of times in the post-season.
There's not a passer in the league I'd have rather had over that timeframe than Tom Brady. And that's no small stretch, either. Honestly, Bernard Pollard doesn't happen, you could probably roll that all the way back to 2007 and say that for a solid decade he was the best QB out there.
I'm disinclined to dump on Brady in order to prop up Mahomes. That's the kind of shit KCC has to do to boost his false idol, LeBron James. It's born of insecurity and doubt. It's why Patriot fans hate Mahomes and Kelce as much as they do - they know those dudes are comin' for them.
You judge greatness by its graveyard and the greater the bodies you can bury, the better you are. Tom Brady was undeniably great and someday Mahomes will be right there alongside him and eventually beyond him. I don't need to diminish Brady for that to be the case. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I'd say it was never undisputed, but from about 2010 through 2017, he was pretty much a goddamn monster. I've mentioned it before, but Rodgers seemingly always gets a pass for the times he came up small in that stretch despite being in his prime and having a ton of weapons around him.
Manning was post neck-surgery and mostly a shell of himself. Brees, a guy I am simply in awe of from a precision standpoint, also shit the bed a ton of times in the post-season.
There's not a passer in the league I'd have rather had over that timeframe than Tom Brady. And that's no small stretch, either. Honestly, Bernard Pollard doesn't happen, you could probably roll that all the way back to 2007 and say that for a solid decade he was the best QB out there.
I'm disinclined to dump on Brady in order to prop up Mahomes. That's the kind of shit KCC has to do to boost his false idol, LeBron James. It's born of insecurity and doubt. It's why Patriot fans hate Mahomes and Kelce as much as they do - they know those dudes are comin' for them.
You judge greatness by its graveyard and the greater the bodies you can bury, the better you are. Tom Brady was undeniably great and someday Mahomes will be right there alongside him and eventually beyond him. I don't need to diminish Brady for that to be the case.
I'm not trying to diminish him to prop up Mahomes, I honestly feel that he's vastly overrated. He was a middling QB that stumbled into the perfect situation as far as his defenses, running games, and playing in an incredibly weak division for 2 decades.
Even in the games where he faced Mahomes, Brady won in spite of himself (thanks Dee Ford), or because of his defense.
But it's not like this hasn't been debated into the ground already.
Also LeBron isn't qualified to carry Jordan's jock. Carry on. Lol [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Somewhat misleading, in that Mahomes' number 1 receiver wasn't Tyreek, it was Travis. Take Kelce away, and Mahomes might not do as well. I doubt he'd have as large a drop-off as what happened with Rodgers, but Pat also has other advantages that Rodgers didn't have last season. Like Andy. And youth.
It's not misleading at all, though. It's factual. We know he still had Kelce, as Rodgers still had other players as well.
This was likely referencing the narrative of how losing these players would impact A Aron and Pat, respectively (in case you don't recall the narrative surrounding the loss of Tyreek last offseason...) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
It's not misleading at all, though. It's factual. We know he still had Kelce, as Rodgers still had other players as well.
This was likely referencing the narrative of how losing these players would impact A Aron and Pat, respectively (in case you don't recall the narrative surrounding the loss of Tyreek last offseason...)
My point is that while it's true that Rodgers struggled without Adams and Pat didn't struggle nearly as much without Tyreek, the truth is that Tyreek was never Pat's actual 1. Travis was.
Meanwhile, Rodgers true 1 was in fact D. Adams. Adams=Travis. Not Adams=Tyreek.
to make it more apples to apples, Pat would have to play a season without Travis, not Tyreek. [Reply]