This "Lamar Jackson is in the same league as Mahomes" nonsense on every football related show I see needs to stop.
Lamar Jackson, on the biggest stage, has now shit down his leg in both opportunities. Lamar is a player who has to have everything around him working perfectly to have success. Put him down 2 scores and ask him to carry the team, he cannot answer the bell.
There's a big difference between a running quarterback, and a quarterback who can run. Lamar Jackson and The Ravens ran 88 plays and put up 12 points.
Jackson attempted 59 passes, only threw one touchdown, but also threw two picks and lost a fumble. 12 points on 59 pass attempts should tell you all you need to know about Lamar as a QB when the lights are the brightest.
Nobody would bat an eye if before the game, soneone told us Pat would put the ball up 59 times. Matter of fact, id be pretty excited to see how many points and yards he would put up in that span of plays.
When things got bad for both QBs, you saw the odds on favorite to win the MVP this year get visible frustrated, press, and ultimately fold. He was nowhere to be seen trying to work out what was happening, rallying his team, he simply pouted on the sideline as his team fell further behind.
The reigning MVP had literally no quit. Its one thing to say after the fact, that we had faith all along, its quite another for that to be true.
Down 24, think about that for a moment. 24. Mahomes is captured, in that moment on the sideline saying we have everything we want. Everyones already counted us the **** out, so go do something special.
Then, to walk the walk after talking the talk, leading the team to 7 straight touchdowns and 8 scoring drives, throwing 5 touchdown passes, and displaying a fiery emotion that if you dont feel anything when you see this kid going nuts after a huge play, call the coroner, because youre already dead.
The two qbs could not be further apart. Jackson cannot hold Mahomes jock when it comes to putting the team on his back.
Lamar should consider signing with KC as a running back. Its the only way barring injury to Mahomes, that hes ever getting a ring.
Mahomes is the MVP. Its not even close. Lamar is a running back executing the halfback pass play about 20-25 times a game.
Jacksons first two years have ended with dud playoff performances.
Mahomes first two years as a starter sees his team hosting back to back AFC title games for a frachise that in its entire history never hosted a single one before he arrived. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kysirsoze:
I think he's enjoying a Ravens fan melting down in his comments and chose this thread to share.
Yes.
What was funny to me is he started on the Ravens "Fuck you Baltimore" video and then moved on to a Taylor Swift Bears video and a short Super Bowl call video :-)
Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic:
They actually had a segment on ESPN speculating how many Super Bowls Lamar would have if he had the same coaching as Mahomes. You can’t make this shit up. Lamar is coddled like no other athlete I’ve ever seen. The excuses for him never stop.
JFC, Andy's a genius, not a miracle worker. [Reply]
This thread may have raised a relevant question when it started in 2020.
But now the answer is so obvious the question is nonsensical. It’s Mahomes in a landslide. I don’t see how anybody who follows football could see it differently.
The question is a little bit more relevant if you put the comparison against Allan or maybe even Burroughs [although he has to get beyond the injury issues] and while mahomes obviously beats them out as well the question is maybe relevant to ask. It’s not relevant to ask about Jackson. [Reply]
Originally Posted by gordonelloyd:
This thread may have raised a relevant question when it started in 2020.
But now the answer is so obvious the question is nonsensical. It’s Mahomes in a landslide. I don’t see how anybody who follows football could see it differently.
The question is a little bit more relevant if you put the comparison against Allan or maybe even Burroughs [although he has to get beyond the injury issues] and while mahomes obviously beats them out as well the question is maybe relevant to ask. It’s not relevant to ask about Jackson.
Allen is the only one in the league who can somewhat mimic the throws Mahomes makes.
He's #2 imo.
1. Mahomes
2. Allen
3. Stroud
4. Burrow
5. Jackson [Reply]
Originally Posted by gordonelloyd:
The question is a little bit more relevant if you put the comparison against Allan or maybe even Burroughs [although he has to get beyond the injury issues] and while mahomes obviously beats them out as well the question is maybe relevant to ask.
Not really.
Mahomes is breaking the numbers of all time greats now. He's not only a class above all QB's of his time he's also knocking down records of ALL TIME greats. Brady, Montana, you name it. Not even they are safe from falling... [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
You seem to be getting very worked up by journalists trying to engage people like you whom otherwise would be bored after having enjoyed the fruits of Mahomes.. Relax, my friend, and bathe in the sweet nectar of success.
Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic:
They actually had a segment on ESPN speculating how many Super Bowls Lamar would have if he had the same coaching as Mahomes. You can’t make this shit up. Lamar is coddled like no other athlete I’ve ever seen. The excuses for him never stop.
I would venture to guess the same coaching that Mahomes has wouldn't hitch themselves to Lamar's wagon. How long has Lamar been around to know that you shouldnt throw into triple coverage, let alone in the playoffs, let alone in the endzone, let alone on a potentially game winning drive, and he still does it... every single fucking year. [Reply]
Andy wasn't able to get it done with McNaab. I was just a pup then but in my opinion Donovan was a better pure qb than Lamar. It was a different era but still. Andy isn't going with just any QB. It's a perfect match of head coach and QB. They accent each other perfectly like has never been seen. Lamar doesn't have the IQ for this play book and I doubt Allen does either. Maybe its just an assumption but Joshs deer in the headlights look and Lamars inability to speak like an adult give me pause. [Reply]
Originally Posted by New World Order:
Allen is the only one in the league who can somewhat mimic the throws Mahomes makes.
He's #2 imo.
1. Mahomes
2. Allen
3. Stroud
4. Burrow
5. Jackson
The A version of Allen is as good as the A version of Mahomes.
The B version f Allen is close, but not quite as good as Mahomes.
The C version of Allen is more frequently seen than the C version of Mahomes and nowhere near as good as the C version of Mahomes. C Allen will lose his team football games. C Mahomes will just go out there and not actively win them (he becomes solid but unspectacular while taking nothing off the table; 'bad' Mahomes is essentially good Alex).
The D version of Allen is a laughable catastrophe that surfaces a 2-3 times/season. The D version of Mahomes doesn't exist.
What distinguishes the two isn't how good they are at their best - that's neck and neck. It's how often they're that good and then how good they are when they AREN'T at their best. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The A version of Allen is as good as the A version of Mahomes.
The B version f Allen is close, but not quite as good as Mahomes.
The C version of Allen is more frequently seen than the C version of Mahomes and nowhere near as good as the C version of Mahomes. C Allen will lose his team football games. C Mahomes will just go out there and not actively win them (he becomes solid but unspectacular while taking nothing off the table; 'bad' Mahomes is essentially good Alex).
The D version of Allen is a laughable catastrophe that surfaces a 2-3 times/season. The D version of Mahomes doesn't exist.
What distinguishes the two isn't how good they are at their best - that's neck and neck. It's how often they're that good and then how good they are when they AREN'T at their best.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The A version of Allen is as good as the A version of Mahomes.
The B version f Allen is close, but not quite as good as Mahomes.
The C version of Allen is more frequently seen than the C version of Mahomes and nowhere near as good as the C version of Mahomes. C Allen will lose his team football games. C Mahomes will just go out there and not actively win them (he becomes solid but unspectacular while taking nothing off the table; 'bad' Mahomes is essentially good Alex).
The D version of Allen is a laughable catastrophe that surfaces a 2-3 times/season. The D version of Mahomes doesn't exist.
What distinguishes the two isn't how good they are at their best - that's neck and neck. It's how often they're that good and then how good they are when they AREN'T at their best.
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
I might take a gamble on Herbert or Lawrence. They’re close to entering Jay Cutler territory and Lamar can at least win.
I would take Trevor Lawrence over Lamar any day. He’s still young and you could make the argument the Urban Meyer debacle stunted his rookie season. This year he took a bit of a step back although injuries may have played a role but I really liked what I saw from him the season before where he led the Jags to a huge comeback win over the Chargers in the playoffs something Lamar only wishes he could accomplish. I still think Lawrence has a chance to have a good career. [Reply]
