Sooooooo what exactly is going on? I don’t see a UFO thread and it seems congress is currently and has been having sessions with “whistleblowers” about UFO’s. What these guys are saying is essentially telling us we are 100% not alone and our private contractors have all the information and evidence to prove this. With that said, are these guys credible?? [Reply]
Originally Posted by vonBobo:
Yeah, that's how evidence works.
We don't know the blobs are terrestrial or even physical. We don't know that the government is even telling the truth about the blobs. To declare a blob as ET is belief, not fact.
I hope I'm wrong, I hope more evidence is provided.
When they defy laws of physics - they can't be terrestrial :-) - yes we do know they are physical, there are RADAR and other sensor readings that track these things and their physics defying movements. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ToxSocks:
No, they don't say they "have to wait" for anything.
They've SEEN it, they don't possess it. The DoD possesses it. They've seen the evidence while working within DoD UAP programs.
Whistleblower protections for this were only passed within the last year. Stealing classified info from the DoD and releasing it to the public would be kind of a big deal, ya know?
AARO has admitted to having this data. Publicly, they've admitted this, dude. This isn't just some whistle blower claim. The DoD effectively admits it themselves.
Last reported, they have roughly 29 examples of UAP in which they have multiple sensory data inputs that all suggest something abnormal is happening, and they don't know what they are.
They've released a full description on what they typically see and it's flight characteristics. Most typically they're metallic orbs.
And we HAVE seen footage from independent cameras that match exactly what they describe. And we don't even talk about any of that as we focus on what AARO and so forth claim they have.
I get it, you're a skeptic of this kinda stuff. You fancy yourself a realist that's grounded in common sense and science. And I appreciate that about you.
But regarding this topic, you're refusing to acknowledge facts: AARO has admitted that they have multiple levels of sensory data suggesting aerial anomalies that they cannot explain.
The questions shouldn't be, "Does the data even exist", the question should be, "what does the data suggest these things are, when will they release the data to the public and WHY won't they release the data to the public?"
And "They" are not the whistleblowers. "They" are the DoD whom themselves claim they have it.
Originally Posted by vonBobo:
Or maybe life is so abundant that it makes the earth insignificant. Then add in the cost of space travel. Do humans go exploring every ant mound in the Serengeti?
Commander Fravor's testimony to Congress
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My name is David Fravor and I am a retired Commander in the U.S Navy. In Nov 2004, I was the Commanding Officer of Strike Fighter Squadron Forty-One, the World Famous Black Aces! We were attached to Carrier Airwing Eleven and stationed onboard the USS Nimitz (CVN-68).
We were at the beginning of our workup cycle that would prepare us for a combat deployment to the Persian Gulf for operations supporting the ground forces in Iraq. The at-sea period was scheduled to go from Early November to Late December. During this period, we train with the other units in the Battle Group while integrating and honing our skills that we will rely on during
our deployment.
We had been at sea for roughly 2 weeks, and I was scheduled to lead a 2 V 2 Air to Air training exercise. My flight of 2 F/A-18Fs was the Blue Air, the good guys, and we were being controlled by the USS Princeton, CG-59. Keep in mind the F/A-18F’s are 2 seat aircraft with the pilot in the front and the WSO (Weapons System Officer) in the back seat. The Red Air was being flown by our Marine F/A-18 squadron VMFA-232.
As we launched off the USS Nimitz, we checked in with the air controller on the USS Princeton, we were told that training was going to be suspended for real world tasking. My wingman joined up and we proceeded towards a contact to the west of our CAP (Combat Air Patrol) point. The CAP point is where we would hold prior to commencing our training runs, roughly 40 miles South of the ship.
As we proceeded to the west and as the air controller counted down the range, we had nothing on our radars and were unaware of what we were going to see when we arrived. The air controller on the ship also had no idea but had been observing these objects on their Aegis combat system for the previous 2 weeks.
They had been descending from above 80,000ft and coming rapidly down to 20,000ft would stay for hours and then go straight back up.
When we arrived at the location at 20,000 ft, the controller called Merge Plot, which means that our radar blip was now in the same radar resolution cell as the contact. As we looked around, we noticed some white water off our right side. The weather on the day of the incident was as close to a perfect day as you could ask, clear skies, light winds, calm seas (no whitecaps from the waves) so the white water stood out in the large blue ocean.
As all 4 looked down we saw a small white Tic Tac shaped object with the longitudinal axis pointing N/S and moving very abruptly over the white water. There were no Rotors, No Rotor wash, or any visible flight control surfaces like wings.
As we started a clockwise turn to observe the object, My WSO and I decided to go down to get closer and the other Aircraft stayed in High cover to observe both us and the Tic Tac. We proceeded around the circle about 90 degrees from the start of our descent and the object suddenly shifted it longitudinal axis, aligned it with my aircraft and began to climb in a clockwise climbing turn. We continued down for another 270 degrees when we made a nose low move to head to where the Tic Tac would be when we
pulled nose onto the object.
Our altitude at this point was approximately 15,000ft with the Tic Tac at about 12,000ft. As we pulled nose onto the object at approximately ½ of a mile with the object just left of our nose, it rapidly accelerated and disappeared right in front of our aircraft.
Our wingman, roughly 8,000ft above us, also lost visual. We immediately turned to investigate the white water only to find that it was also gone. As we turned back towards our CAP point, roughly 60 miles east, the air controller let us know that the object had reappeared on the Princeton’s Aegis SPY 1 radar at our CAP point. This Tic Tac Object had just traveled 60 miles in a very short period of time (less than a minute), was far superior in performance to my brand-new F/A-18F and did not operate with any of the known aerodynamic principles that we expect for objects that fly in our atmosphere.
Originally Posted by vonBobo:
Or maybe life is so abundant that it makes the earth insignificant. Then add in the cost of space travel. Do humans go exploring every ant mound in the Serengeti?
Could be or maybe we're the Sentinelese and no one wants anything to do with us [Reply]
A surprise new Marquise "Hollywood" Brown injury update emerged just before Week 12's kickoff against the Carolina Panthers, indicating the Chiefs' speedy wideout could return by Christmas.
Kansas City squares off with the Pittsburgh Steelers that day, a major threat in the AFC who could present a threat with their stellar defense. While we knew that expectations suggested Brown would return sooner than later, this is the first time we've heard a specific timeline.
