Chiefs are trading six-time Pro-Bowl WR Tyreek Hill to the Miami Dolphins for five draft picks: a 2022 1st-round pick (No. 29), a 2nd-round pick (No. 50) and a 4th-round pick, as well as 4th- and 6th-round picks in the 2023 draft, sources tell ESPN.
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Dorsey would have given him that dumbass contract and put us in cap he’ll AGAIN and then drafted shitty ass players with later picks like he did in Cleveland
We're 1 year into Mahomes contract and we're already having to trade our 2nd best player because we don't want to pay him. If that isn't cap hell, I don't know what is. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Gonna lose Jones next year in all probability anyway.
So here's something I think few are considering - the QB market is INSANE. Since Mahomes signed his deal people have said "hey, we'll just keep kicking the can and in 5 years when that cap number hits $50 million we'll just renegotiate...."
What if we....didn't. Because I've got a sneaking suspicion that if we stop kicking that can and just let that deal stand as written, it'll be a screaming bargain now until it expires. And then we're under pressure to come back to the table as QBs contracts start to push north of $50+ million in annual guarantees.
We can consider that sort of thing if we DON'T go balls to the wall trying to retain Hill. Or if we move on from Jones when it's pretty obvious that he's not worth a $27 cap charge.
We just have to be much MUCH smarter in how we're doing things. And this is, in many ways, a positive sign. We've seen it all off-season. We were in on Smith until his market got stupid and we pulled the chute. Then it got more stupid somehow. We sat down with Hill and tried to get something done but when he decided he wanted to set records, we said no mas.
We got JuJu on dick in guarantees. We got Reid at 60% what Mathieu was demanding.
Now I do wish we'd have gone ahead and re-signed Ward now, but I don't think this was Veach's plan when a decision point came on Ward.
This all demonstrates that Veach is past his "hold the paddle up until you win" approach of the last 4 years. And that approach was disastrous long-term.
The time to build up the youth of this team is now. Especially after every team in the AFC West went all in. Those teams are all going to have to pay their QB at sometime and that’s when our 2nd window opens. [Reply]
Originally Posted by irafreak:
Why is it there always has to be two sides and only two sides?
We could've kept hill for this year under contract and rounded out the roster and fought for another title then let him walk/tag and trade for less next year. It wasn't pay him 30 million now or trade him.
It just feels like we took ourselves out of contention now for the future and nothing is guaranteed in life. Windows don't stay open long in most cases. And we probably just closed this one in the hopes of opening another later. Hope it works out.
There's no doubt we will grab a receiver in the draft. And get help on defense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Dorsey would have given him that dumbass contract and put us in cap he’ll AGAIN and then drafted shitty ass players with later picks like he did in Cleveland
Dorsey would have tagged him, let him have a career year then paid him too much at age 30. [Reply]
Someone in baseball a few years back said "the least valuable commodity in the sport right now is the present..."
They're absolutely right. Because once a deal gets made, suddenly everything you did WITH that person goes out the window. Which led to silly decisions whereby teams never considered what you could accomplish with a guy and how long that can reverberate. The Braves could've dealt Freeman at the deadline - they didn't. You think they give a shit? Flags fly forever fellas and they'd lose him as a FA 100 times out of 100 to secure that WS.
"We made a commitment to him! Tyreek should have taken less to stay!!!"
Dafuq? The hell you say - Tyreek Hill signed a 3 year deal in September of '19 and our commitment to him led to 3 straight AFC Championships, 2 Hunt trophy's and a Lombardi.
That tab is paid, y'all. Dudes contributions here were FAR in excess of what we paid him. And by paying him, we also managed to extend our team control over him to the point we could then deal him.
That commitment has been satisfied over and over again. We're WELL ahead of the game with Tyreek Hill, even had we taken him in the top 10 of the draft.
"Don't cry because it's over - smile because it happened..."
The '**** Tyreek' crowd can sodomize themselves with a cactus. That shit is just stupid.
Nah. Tyreeks success is just as much a product of the amazing support we gave him and the man throwing to him, which he’s going to find out quick with Tua. There was no reason for this to happen, but greedy selfish players aren’t level headed people. I’ll say it again, Chiefs weren’t offering minimum wage. The idea he wasn’t being compensated ENOUGH for a TEAM sport is pretty silly. But then again I also think paying someone 500 million is pretty out of control too for what it’s worth. That’s just me. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lilmrp117:
The worst part about this isn't that we traded Tyreek - it's all of the circumstances surrounding the trade, especially the timing. Tyreek has been underpaid for years and this obviously built up a lot of resentment. After it was clear he was out of legal trouble, veach should have re-done his contract to make him a top 5-10 paid WR. He let multiple years go by without fixing the injustice of Tyreek getting severely underpaid. Also, if you're going to trade him this off-season, that shit needed to be done before free agency so we could have signed a decent replacement 1 wr like Robinson and also get some decent dline free agents. Veach alienated a rare talent by letting him go underpaid for years and then screwed the team with this last minute desperation trade. Terrible timing and planning.
Veach did exactly what a good GM does in this league.
Let him go underpaid? WTF
The NFL is all about business. Not about feelings. Same as any other business out there. [Reply]
Originally Posted by irafreak:
Why is it there always has to be two sides and only two sides?
CP is just a reflection of modern society. Everything has to be polarized hyperbole. If you're not on a side, you're not "giving it everything you have".
I've been saying it about this place for years and as recently as a few days ago - there's no room for middle ground here. [Reply]
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
Yep. We're about to see exactly how great Patrick is.
Well, his TD production fell nearly 50% in his second year as the starter - that's no bueno. In year 3, it increased, but he was still only 76% of his best season and it declined from that number last season.
I think he's broken and you guys should probably find a buyer for him while you can. The stats show a decline in production that few can recover from, especially now that they've traded Hill.
Hill was 28% of Pat's TD production... dramatic, likely unrecoverable for KC. I'm sorry. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Chiefs should have just let his contract run out and then tagged him.
Probably get two more Super Bowls doing that.
Instead you get a 1st and a bunch of fluff picks.
Jiminy ****ing Christmas, it's all ****ing over.
No way he plays in 2022 on his current contract. Rosenhaus would have him sit out and demand a trade. There were three options going forward:
1) Hill sits out and the Chiefs eventually trade him for much less when all leverage has been lost. CRUSHING the Chiefs in 2022.
2) Hill gets traded now.
3) Hill resigns for some absurd deal.
Options 1 and 3 would have been horrible for KC. In option 1 the Chiefs are a broken team in 2022 but may recover. Option 3 the Chiefs would be a broken team for several years. [Reply]