Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
DT's fall off a cliff pretty fast once the decline starts. He's still an all-pro and maybe next year too. But, that 3rd year....he will still be a leader in the locker room.
HoF talents have different aging curves than everyone else, though.
And most HoF caliber pass rushers stay at a damn high level longer than you'd expect. I mean Reggie White didn't even go to Green Bay until he was 32 years old and he averaged over 11 sacks/season for the Packers. That's down a little from where he was in Philly, but he was still an elite player. Guy had 16 sacks at 37 years old...
Jones is going to take more plays off than he used to when he was younger, IMO. But his peak performance should stay at/near what it was at his apex when he turns it on. His issue this season has been a complete lack of supporting cast/complementary pressure. If he's going to get his sack numbers back up into double digits this year and going forward, he's going to need someone like Omenihu to take some heat of him. Or FAU. Or Uche. Karlaftis is just too easy to single up and stonewall right now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
If Humphries plays well and they let him walk, it would be an incredibly stupid mistake. I hope to high hell they aren’t that dumb. We cannot continue putting Mahomes through this bullshit year after year. The frustration is starting to boil over again for him, and he showed it on Friday several times.
There are always ways around the cap, and this is one of those situations where you just do what needs to be done. If he shows he’s still the same guy he was pre-injury, we’d be complete morons to let him go at any price with our current situation. Hell, franchise the guy if you have to, I don’t fucking care.
Agreed! But, let's see what he does FIRST then get to that point in time.:-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
Age and injury history, mixed with an expensive price point. If he had a better history of staying healthy, it would be an easier decision.
And more $$$$$ and would not have been available. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
Dude, if he gives up 2 sacks and 4 pressures, I’d be thrilled! Just give me some shred of freaking hope on Sunday night.
Yeah but I'm just saying the sign this guy "long term" talk will change pretty quick once he's not the second coming of Willie Roaf. It's what people around here do. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
HoF talents have different aging curves than everyone else, though.
And most HoF caliber pass rushers stay at a damn high level longer than you'd expect. I mean Reggie White didn't even go to Green Bay until he was 32 years old and he averaged over 11 sacks/season for the Packers. That's down a little from where he was in Philly, but he was still an elite player. Guy had 16 sacks at 37 years old...
Jones is going to take more plays off than he used to when he was younger, IMO. But his peak performance should stay at/near what it was at his apex when he turns it on. His issue this season has been a complete lack of supporting cast/complementary pressure. If he's going to get his sack numbers back up into double digits this year and going forward, he's going to need someone like Omenihu to take some heat of him. Or FAU. Or Uche. Karlaftis is just too easy to single up and stonewall right now.
They desperately need more athleticism at edge. It just feels like those guys provide something due to their athleticism. Dee Ford would get sacks just from speed alone. That guy affected plays.
It feels like Karlaftis and Felix have to try so hard bc they won’t just blow by guys and beat them with athleticism.
And I think Uche is an acknowledgement that that was missing. I hope we keep Uche at a fair deal next year or find someone early in the draft that fits that mold bc man we just don’t have the juice other edge unless Uche is out there [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
They desperately need more athleticism at edge. It just feels like those guys provide something due to their athleticism. Dee Ford would get sacks just from speed alone. That guy affected plays.
It feels like Karlaftis and Felix have to try so hard bc they won’t just blow by guys and beat them with athleticism.
And I think Uche is an acknowledgement that that was missing. I hope we keep Uche at a fair deal next year or find someone early in the draft that fits that mold bc man we just don’t have the juice other edge unless Uche is out there
Yep, Uche should've been the missing piece. Hopefully they give him more snaps because you're right, we need juice. Karlaftis has been a plodding non-entity this year. He just can't win fast, with speed or power. Felix's get off prevents him from getting anywhere near the QB. The DEs have been poor. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JPH83:
Yep, Uche should've been the missing piece. Hopefully they give him more snaps because you're right, we need juice. Karlaftis has been a plodding non-entity this year. He just can't win fast, with speed or power. Felix's get off prevents him from getting anywhere near the QB. The DEs have been poor.
Karlaftis can win with power but winning with power takes longer than with speed or with pass rush moves. That's why we need a guy on the opposite side that can funnel guys to his direction. [Reply]
If you were gonna mortgage draft picks to move up, last year was the year to do it for Joe Alt. Generational player, second generation Chief.
We had the first overall pick and took the best LT in the draft when we got Fisher and even he needed a few years to become a serviceable too 3rd tackle in the league at best. Very few sure things out there but Alt was certainly looking as close to that as possible and his on field performance supported it.
Is he still injured or will we play him on Sunday?
I think the Chiefs brought in Kingsley as a 6th lineman on a short yardage play and Buffalo used that strategy to run yesterday against the 49ers on some running plays.
Why not (even if Humphries works out ok at LT) run some empty backfield six lineman in passing situations? Put Kingsley on the right side next to Taylor (keeping Taylor at the LOS instead of false starting). You could have some combination of Kelce, Hopkins, Worthy, Gray, Watson, Ju Ju, Mecole or Brown when he comes back as the 4 receivers.
You could also run Pacheco in the backfield on early downs, and play action out of that occasionally. Seems like a way to get Kingsley some reps without being alone on an island. [Reply]
