One of the best WR prospects at the catch point and winning leverage mid-route. He consistently sets up defenders to put them on his back, locates the ball, and attacks it at the highest point.
Rashee Rice was drafted with pick 55 of round 2 in the 2023 draft class. He scored a 9.53 #RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 145 out of 3062 WR from 1987 to 2023. https://t.co/lwD9tvVPvvpic.twitter.com/YjucxErSE1
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Rashee Rice had almost 200 yards against a Maryland defense with a 1st round CB and a 2nd round CB.
In fairness, I raised this point w/r/t Jalen Tolbert last year and he was pretty much shite.
He absolutely vivisected Tennessee and in the end, he still did precisely dick last season and some think he'll get cut out of camp this year.
At a point, the sample size does need to matter and Rice does have some quality of competition concerns. A lot of guys can have a single good day against a quality defense, but we just don't know if he can do it week in, week out.
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Rashee Rice had almost 200 yards against a Maryland defense with a 1st round CB and a 2nd round CB.
That still doesn't mean he didn't play in the AAC. It doesn't change the fact that the SEC is on a different level talent-wise compared to the AAC. And I am sure that Tillman played against some directional state schools in their non-con schedule, too.
I want every player, whether I like their draft position, or whether I like them at all, to succeed in a Chiefs uniform. I think if Rice is even 75% of the player so many here think he is going to be, he will be great.
After the draft last year, everyone convinced me that Skyy Moore was actually a better fit than Watson or Pickens, and I had high hopes for Moore. Well, he struggled to learn the offense, and caused turnovers on offense and special teams, and the people who said he was the right choice over Pickens made excuses for him the entire season.
As a team the Chiefs struggle to draft wide receivers, or ball catchers in general.
In 2013 we hit on Kelce with the 63rd pick
In 2015 we missed with Chris Conley with the 76th pick. Stefon Diggs went with the 146th pick that year. Conley was on the team for a few years, but never played like the 76th pick.
In 2016 we drafted Marcus Robinson at pick 126, and Tyreek Hill at pick 165. Both contributed and one became a superstar.
In 2017 we drafted Jehu Chesson at pick 139. George Kittle went at pick 146. I know he isn't a WR, but he is a notable pass catcher.
In 2018 we did get UDFA Byron Pringle
In 2019 we took Mecole Hardman with the 56th pick. D.K. Metcalf went 64, Terry McLaurin went 76, Hunter Renfrow went 149. Hardman did go to the Pro Bowl as a returner, but Metcalf would have been a MONSTER with Mahomes, and McLaurin would be even better than he has been with the crap QBs in Washington.
In 2020 we picked CEH at 32, and Tee Higgins went at pick 33. I know CEH is a RB, but Tee Higgins would have been amazing with Mahomes and Reid.
In 2021 we picked Noah Gray at 162 and Cornell Powell at 181. I feel like Gray has been a disappointment, but with Kelce being Kelce it is hard to fault him for being what he is. Heck, sometimes I feel like maybe Gray should be used like the 49ers use Kyle Juszczyk at FB.
In 2022 we picked Skyy Moore at pick 54.
Those WR draft picks in the Andy Reid era do not exactly inspire confidence in this team's ability, over two GMs, to draft the Wide Receiver position.
I am not saying that we missed on a bunch of HOFers, but we did miss out on receivers who were more productive than who we drafted. [Reply]
The Chiefs have invested a grand total of 2 2nds and one 3rd on WRs in Reid's tenure (in terms of a significant investment), and one of those is exactly one fucking year into his career.
This narrative is absolutely reeruned. The issue is a lack of investment in the position, not an inability to find WRs.
That's why you have to include guys that aren't even fucking WRs to try to make your stupid point. What does CEH, Gray, etc. have to do with the Chiefs ability or lack thereof to draft WRs?
Side note, Gray has been a disappointment? What exactly are your expectations for a day 3 TE? Just a glimpse into the issue with people like yourself, which is absurd/unrealistic expectations.
Same with Demarcus Robinson, who was a fine day 3 pick at WR.
And yea guys like Chesson and Powell weren't very good. Huge shock there! Guess they should've found a couple more Tyreek's instead huh?
You're basically looking at Hardman and Conley. Those are the only guys that were taken earlier than day 3 and played long enough to judge. Hardman was far from a bust, and Conley wasn't that bad himself.
I really can't wait for this dumb narrative to die as quickly as the narrative about us drafting LBs, DEs, etc. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Side note, Gray has been a disappointment? What exactly are your expectations for a day 3 TE? Just a glimpse into the issue with people like yourself, which is absurd/unrealistic expectations.
Same with Demarcus Robinson, who was a fine day 3 pick at WR.
And yea guys like Chesson and Powell weren't very good. Huge shock there! Guess they should've found a couple more Tyreek's instead huh?
You're basically looking at Hardman and Conley. Those are the only guys that were taken earlier than day 3 and played long enough to judge. Hardman was far from a bust, and Conley wasn't that bad himself.
So much of this comes from people who simply don't have a working understanding of what should be expected from certain spots in the draft. And who simultaneously demand perfection from a process that is LOADED with blind luck.
If you get anything at all from a 4th round pick or later, including 4 seasons of decent STs contributions, that's a win. If a 3rd rounder is starting games and contributing at any point, that's a win. Shit, that's the case for a 2nd rounder.
Hardman was BETTER than your average 2nd rounder. Robinson was about what one should expect from a 4th rounder - if that. Conley was maybe a little disappointing because he had such an obvious path to relevance that never seized, but as a 3rd round pick he was still fine.
You just have to have reasonable expectations of the player. [Reply]
Chiefs were 1st in offense yards gained and scoring offense.
Folks are nuts if they think any player getting significant snaps is a disappointment.
You only have so many plays to run in a season and if the Chiefs are number 1 offense and their 3 losses biggest plays involve untimely mistakes by HOFers Mahomes, Kelce and Chris Jones, how can you say a player that made the plays they were tasked to make is a disappointment. [Reply]
Originally Posted by bigjosh:
I have to say, we have drafted alot of shitty receivers since jon baldwin, and the only one to really pan out was tyreek hill.
This one just feels different then mecole, skyy, conley, and drob.
I think our wr corp could be a sleeper squad this year.
They have spent a 1 on one twice in the 21st century. Are we really surprised by the results?
Originally Posted by staylor26:
This has been discussed ad nauseaum.
The Chiefs have invested a grand total of 2 2nds and one 3rd on WRs in Reid's tenure (in terms of a significant investment), and one of those is exactly one fucking year into his career.
This narrative is absolutely reeruned. The issue is a lack of investment in the position, not an inability to find WRs.
That's why you have to include guys that aren't even fucking WRs to try to make your stupid point. What does CEH, Gray, etc. have to do with the Chiefs ability or lack thereof to draft WRs?
Side note, Gray has been a disappointment? What exactly are your expectations for a day 3 TE? Just a glimpse into the issue with people like yourself, which is absurd/unrealistic expectations.
Same with Demarcus Robinson, who was a fine day 3 pick at WR.
And yea guys like Chesson and Powell weren't very good. Huge shock there! Guess they should've found a couple more Tyreek's instead huh?
You're basically looking at Hardman and Conley. Those are the only guys that were taken earlier than day 3 and played long enough to judge. Hardman was far from a bust, and Conley wasn't that bad himself.
I really can't wait for this dumb narrative to die as quickly as the narrative about us drafting LBs, DEs, etc.
All of this ^
And Conley went on to play several more years for Jax, he's no bust nor was Hardman [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
So much of this comes from people who simply don't have a working understanding of what should be expected from certain spots in the draft. And who simultaneously demand perfection from a process that is LOADED with blind luck.
If you get anything at all from a 4th round pick or later, including 4 seasons of decent STs contributions, that's a win. If a 3rd rounder is starting games and contributing at any point, that's a win. Shit, that's the case for a 2nd rounder.
Hardman was BETTER than your average 2nd rounder. Robinson was about what one should expect from a 4th rounder - if that. Conley was maybe a little disappointing because he had such an obvious path to relevance that never seized, but as a 3rd round pick he was still fine.
You just have to have reasonable expectations of the player.
It’s nuts.
People act like the Chiefs are the mid-aughts Detroit Lions, burning top 5 pick after top T 5 pick at WR.
A 2nd - who was a good player and contributed significantly to two SB runs. Not as good as a few guys drafted after him, but not a bust.
A 2nd one year into his career and behind 4 veterans in year 1.
And a 2nd who hasn’t taken a snap yet.
That’s super light investment (driven because they had elite weapons at TE and WR already). [Reply]
This guy loves to high point the ball. With a 41" vertical, I can see why. Dude has some Moss in his game. I'm looking forward to seeing how he developed as a route runner. Sounds like he already has some chemistry with Pat. [Reply]
