Originally Posted by BroncoBuff:
Elway's stats definitely take some of the luster off Elway's career, but check this out:
Everybody knows Aaron Rodgers career stats are better than Elway's - significantly better in most every category: Comp.%, yards, TD passes, Ints, on and on. Yet it happens their career W-L records (reg season, updated this week) records are virtually identical:
Originally Posted by BroncoBuff:
Not sure about him crossing his arms, but he does look and somewhat sounds pretty worn out. Bo's only been in town four months officially, six months overall, and, like Manning, John of course would have to call ahead to clear a visit - otherwise their mere presence disrupts the fans, media, players and staff.
Popped into this thread on an old page, talking about John's all-time ranking and 1987 League MVP award. I've always wondered about that award, but looking here the answer seems obvious:
Rice and Montana split their vote.
The page or two where I popped in, and this page I think miss Elway's true accomplishments:
1) Day he retired, he had won more games, and started more SBs than any other QB 2) In 15 years as full-time starter, advanced to seven AFCCGs and 5 Super Bowls 3) Signed on as Broncos GM in 2011. In his third year, with eight offensive starters his own acquisitions, Broncos fielded the greatest offense in League history in 2013 (won AFCCG, lost SB) 4) Two years later, fielded an historic defense, all 11 starters and four subs w/ most snaps all Elway acquisitions, won SB.
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I thought the horse man got "promoted upstairs"
Wouldn't he have access to the facility any time he wants? [Reply]
Originally Posted by brdempsey69: 6)Is falsely labeled the 'comeback king', but Donktards aren't aware that Elway played in 100 games where his Donks trailed at the end of the 3rd QTR & Elway brought them from behind to win only 24 times under these conditions. That is 24% and ranks Elway 40th all-time percentage wise under those conditions, with Patrick Mahomes ranking 1st and Joe Montana ranks 5th. Add to that Elway's worst passing stats were in the 4th QTR.
Whoa! Sounds like he was the king of falling behind! [Reply]
Originally Posted by BroncoBuff:
Elway's stats definitely take some of the luster off Elway's career, but check this out:
Everybody knows Aaron Rodgers career stats are better than Elway's - significantly better in most every category: Comp.%, yards, TD passes, Ints, on and on. Yet it happens their career W-L records (reg season, updated this week) records are virtually identical:
Let's revisit Horseace's path to all those SB blowout losses...
Here is the murderers row of post-season QBs he beat to get there...not a single HOF QB:
Bubby Brister 0 career probowls
Tony Eason 0 career probowls
Bernie Kosar 1 career Probowl (all three AFCCG Horseface wins were against this same guy)
Warren Moon...the most impressive QB Elway ever beat in the postseason...before cheating.
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Here are the QB that Horseface lost to in the playoffs (pre-cheating):
1983 31-7 loss Dave Krieg
1984 24-17 loss Mark Malone
1993 42-24 loss Jeff Hostetler
1992 10-7 loss Jim Kelly HOF
1996 30-27 loss Mark Brunell
He played one HOF QB, one time in his entire (pre-cheating) play-off career...and lost.
Fraud...benefited from a complete void of QB talent in the 80s. Bernie Kosar was his main obstacle... [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Rodgers. Next question.
But how do you get there?
Rodgers had SIX 'one-and-dones' in 11 Playoff appearances! 1-4 NFCCGs, one SB trip.
Not even close.
Unless you want to make the case that statistics are more important than playoff success. Good luck with that.
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
Here is the murderers row of post-season QBs he beat to get there...not a single HOF QB:
Bubby Brister 0 career probowls
Tony Eason 0 career probowls
Bernie Kosar 1 career Probowl (all three AFCCG Horseface wins were against this same guy)
Warren Moon...the most impressive QB Elway ever beat in the postseason...before cheating.
I reject your 'QB vs QB' test as anything remotely like a valid barometer of Elway's, or anybody's, success. Besides, you can only play next team up, that's how the playoffs work.
I also do not accept your "cheater" label, at least not to the extent it invalidates legitimate game and playoff results. The NFL levied serious fines for the violations, the NFL also legitimized all the SB results, regardless how much you obsessive Broncos haters continue in obsessive disagreement.
As much as I reject your 'QB vs QB' test, here's a list of QBs John vanquished his last two seasons... HEY! Look close! There's TWO Hall-of-Famers on this list - oh boy oh boy!
Mark Brunell
Elvis Grbac
Kordell Stewart
Brett Favre
Dan Marino
Vinnie Testaverde
Chris Chandler [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
I thought the horse man got "promoted upstairs"
Wouldn't he have access to the facility any time he wants?
He was listed only as a "Consultant" until Wal-Mart bought the team. As of that sale, John no longer has any official relationship with the Broncos.
The "call ahead rule" was put in place by Shanahan, who rightly noted John "takes all the air out of the room" when he walks on. The rule applies (or did apply before Wal-Mart and Sean Payton) to Manning also. [Reply]
