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Nzoner's Game Room>****The Clyde Edwards-Helaire Thread*****
Dante84 10:09 PM 04-23-2020
More to come! (I'll clean it up later - info dump into the OP)

(mod edit, all the goodness is in the spoiler tags)
Spoiler!

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Chris Meck 05:19 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell:
That coming from a guy thinking....

Take the 5-8 208 4.6 less productive guy over the bigger faster more productive guy.

:-)

How is it possible that you're this ****ing stupid?

Taylor played in far inferior competition, and was a bell-cow 30 carry a game guy for like 4 years. He's got a faster 40 time. He's bigger.

Helaire played like 2 1/2 years against the most elite competition in college football in a balanced offense that saw his QB go #1 overall and two WR's go in the first round.

He fits our system perfectly, and yes, is a polished receiver not only out of the backfield, but the slot. He has experience running a full route tree. He's got elite lateral agility.

He's "better than Brian Westbrook" according to Andy ****ing Reid who coached Brian Westbrook.

But somehow, you are smarter than Andy Reid, and smarter than Bret Veach because Taylor is bigger and ran a tenth of a second faster in the 40 yard dash in shorts, and while Helaire was less than 100%.

How do you possibly not understand that sometimes a player's specific skillset is a great fit, and sometimes it's not?

Derrick Henry is bigger, too. Guess what? He'd be a shitty fit for the Chiefs offense.

How do you not get this?
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tredadda 05:26 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell:
I don't think so seeing how I can talk Billy Cannon and Alan "Horse" Ameche stud LSU/Wisconsin RB's.

Hell, Steve Van Buren!!!!!
Why are running backs drafted so low? Why do they tend to get smaller contracts? Why do they tend to burn out at such an earlier age? It’s because of the wear and tear they put on their bodies. Taylor already has a ton of miles on him and since he’s not much of receiving threat I fully expect him to be a RB that gets abused in his first contract and wear down and not get much of a second contract. CEH on the other hand has fewer miles on him and will not be the focal point of the offense meaning he should last longer.
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Ubeja Vontell 05:32 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
How is it possible that you're this ****ing stupid?

Taylor played in far inferior competition, and was a bell-cow 30 carry a game guy for like 4 years. He's got a faster 40 time. He's bigger.

Helaire played like 2 1/2 years against the most elite competition in college football in a balanced offense that saw his QB go #1 overall and two WR's go in the first round.

He fits our system perfectly, and yes, is a polished receiver not only out of the backfield, but the slot. He has experience running a full route tree. He's got elite lateral agility.

He's "better than Brian Westbrook" according to Andy ****ing Reid who coached Brian Westbrook.

But somehow, you are smarter than Andy Reid, and smarter than Bret Veach because Taylor is bigger and ran a tenth of a second faster in the 40 yard dash in shorts, and while Helaire was less than 100%.

How do you possibly not understand that sometimes a player's specific skillset is a great fit, and sometimes it's not?

Derrick Henry is bigger, too. Guess what? He'd be a shitty fit for the Chiefs offense.

How do you not get this?

How about we do this, let's watch what happens before getting carried away with this, ok?
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Ubeja Vontell 05:36 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by tredadda:
Why are running backs drafted so low? Why do they tend to get smaller contracts? Why do they tend to burn out at such an earlier age? It’s because of the wear and tear they put on their bodies. Taylor already has a ton of miles on him and since he’s not much of receiving threat I fully expect him to be a RB that gets abused in his first contract and wear down and not get much of a second contract. CEH on the other hand has fewer miles on him and will not be the focal point of the offense meaning he should last longer.
Who cares how long he lasts? Just draft another RB they are a dime a dozen, ya get 4/5 good seasons out of a RB, cool! This is why you don't use a FIRST ROUND pick on a RB.
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Monticore 05:36 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
How is it possible that you're this ****ing stupid?

Taylor played in far inferior competition, and was a bell-cow 30 carry a game guy for like 4 years. He's got a faster 40 time. He's bigger.

Helaire played like 2 1/2 years against the most elite competition in college football in a balanced offense that saw his QB go #1 overall and two WR's go in the first round.

He fits our system perfectly, and yes, is a polished receiver not only out of the backfield, but the slot. He has experience running a full route tree. He's got elite lateral agility.

He's "better than Brian Westbrook" according to Andy ****ing Reid who coached Brian Westbrook.

But somehow, you are smarter than Andy Reid, and smarter than Bret Veach because Taylor is bigger and ran a tenth of a second faster in the 40 yard dash in shorts, and while Helaire was less than 100%.

How do you possibly not understand that sometimes a player's specific skillset is a great fit, and sometimes it's not?

Derrick Henry is bigger, too. Guess what? He'd be a shitty fit for the Chiefs offense.

How do you not get this?
Using his math Jerry Rice was a horrible pick.
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tredadda 05:38 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell:
Who cares how long he lasts? Just draft another RB they are a dime a dozen, ya get 4/5 good seasons out of a RB, cool! This is why you don't use a FIRST ROUND pick on a RB.
The intent was to refute your argument about who would have the better career.
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Halfcan 05:38 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell:
Let's watch some video....




he won the Doak Walker award for a reason.

Over 4000 yards rushing in two seasons......wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Taylor looks awesome running through wide-open lanes against guys from Slapdick University!
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RunKC 05:39 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell:
How about we do this, let's watch what happens before getting carried away with this, ok?
DeSean Jackson
Jeremy Maclin
Brent Celek
LeSean McCoy
Travis Kelce
Tyreek Hill
Kareem Hunt
Mecole Hardman

Forgive us for trusting the guy who has drafted these weapons instead of you
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TwistedChief 05:42 PM 04-24-2020
Guys, let's all just ignore Ubeja. He's returning to his highest level of trolling, and it's just not worth engaging.

Let's celebrate that we somehow recognize the insanity of the Kansas City Chiefs drafting last because we won the Super Bowl on the strength of our prodigious offense and yet we still saw an epic talent at a position that the most casual of football fans knows is overrated and still took CEH with the pick and that - most importantly - we're the most miserable group of people on the planet at CP and yet we're excited and ecstatic about said pick.

That's all that we need to know.
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Ubeja Vontell 05:43 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Using his math Jerry Rice was a horrible pick.
Let's see...

Walter Payton Jackson State
Jerry Rice Mississippi Valley State
Randy Moss Marshall
Christian "Nigerian Nightmare" Okoye Azusa Pacific
Abner Haynes North Texas State
Wilie Lanier Morgan State
Kareem Hunt Toledo
Terrell Owens Chattanooga
Antonio Brown Eastern Michigan'
Buck Buchanon Grambling
Isacc Bruce Memphis
Terry Bradshaw La Tech

,,,,ha!
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Ubeja Vontell 05:47 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
Guys, let's all just ignore Ubeja. He's returning to his highest level of trolling, and it's just not worth engaging.

Let's celebrate that we somehow recognize the insanity of the Kansas City Chiefs drafting last because we won the Super Bowl on the strength of our prodigious offense and yet we still saw an epic talent at a position that the most casual of football fans knows is overrated and still took CEH with the pick and that - most importantly - we're the most miserable group of people on the planet at CP and yet we're excited and ecstatic about said pick.

That's all that we need to know.
I don't troll guy, little kids play that shit, ok?

So debating picking CEH with your first pick is a no no, just nod your head agree and follow the flock


:-)
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Ubeja Vontell 05:50 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
DeSean Jackson
Jeremy Maclin
Brent Celek
LeSean McCoy
Travis Kelce
Tyreek Hill
Kareem Hunt
Mecole Hardman

Forgive us for trusting the guy who has drafted these weapons instead of you
And I would have done the same thing.

Let's watch what happens.
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Halfcan 05:54 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell:
I don't troll guy, little kids play that shit, ok?

So debating picking CEH with your first pick is a no no, just nod your head agree and follow the flock


:-)
Have you seen CEH's spin move? Sorry, but Taylor can't come close to doing that.

That spin move ranks up there with Charles and Sanders- straight up nasty.

The defense was in our backfield a LOT last year- Taylor would be dead meat- whereas, CEH spins out of tackles and then gains valuable yards.
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BossChief 05:57 PM 04-24-2020
I don’t think many understand the level of impact CEH is going to provide this offense.

This pick is HUGE.
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Ubeja Vontell 06:01 PM 04-24-2020
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
Have you seen CEH's spin move? Sorry, but Taylor can't come close to doing that.

That spin move ranks up there with Charles and Sanders- straight up nasty.

The defense was in our backfield a LOT last year- Taylor would be dead meat- whereas, CEH spins out of tackles and then gains valuable yards.
Yep, Christian Okoye was no Nolan "Super Gnat" Smith.
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