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Originally Posted by manchambo:
People say that kind of stuff all the time.

If he and the organization really believed that, they wouldn't have sat at 10 hoping to get him. Anyone who knew what Mahomes was would trade everything to pick him.

The Chiefs were reported to have tried to go higher. 10 was the highest they could get to.
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
I did. I knew EXACTLY what Mahomes was when they drafted him. Dude was ****ing phenomenal on a shit team. Was not throwing empty swings and screens like a certain Oregon QB. He was making big boy elite passes into tight windows EVERY week. Most impressive college player I've ever seen and said it BEFORE he was a Chief

I came to this board as a Mahomes fan before he played in the NFL.

Made my screen name before he ever played an NFL game, and it wasn't just wishful thinking.
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Originally Posted by manchambo:
I didn't mention Sean Payton. And I wouldn't.

And I didn't suggest it was all luck.

I did suggest that Bill Walsh is the only person I can think of who picked and developed two all time great QBs.

I'll give you Andy Reid by assuming McNabb belongs in that class plus partial credit for Favre.

Who else?

Holmgren with Favre and Hasselbeck?
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Originally Posted by manchambo:
I'm not talking about any of that. I'm talking about the fact that talent scouts think they have found a HOF QB pretty much every year, and they're usually wrong.

When they turn out to be right, they say "I knew that guy was going to be great."

So you don't have any examples of a GM publicly saying something like that like I thought? You're just talking out of your ass? Got it!
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Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Holmgren with Favre and Hasselbeck?

Maybe? I have a hard time putting Hasselbeck in the same category as Mahomes and Favre.
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Originally Posted by staylor26:
So you don't have any examples of a GM publicly saying something like that like I thought? You're just talking out of your ass? Got it!

I mean, yeah, he says that now. If Mahomes had turned out badly I think he would have kept his mouth shut about it.
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Originally Posted by manchambo:
I mean, yeah, he says that now. If Mahomes had turned out badly I think he would have kept his mouth shut about it.

JFC are you reeruned?

Again, he said this before Mahomes ever even started a meaningful game. It was at the combine, and it was on video.
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Originally Posted by staylor26:
JFC are you reeruned?

Again, he said this before Mahomes ever even started a meaningful game. It was at the combine, and it was on video.

It is incredibly hard for a donk fan to imagine a GM/scout/coach calling their shot and it actually being right.

They're used to a lot of blather with nothing to show for it a few years later.
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Did did manchabo just pretend moving from 27 to 10 isn't a big deal? Wow
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Originally Posted by staylor26:
JFC are you reeruned?

Again, he said this before Mahomes ever even started a meaningful game. It was at the combine, and it was on video.

I've googled and can only find videos of him recollecting that. If you say so I guess I believe you.
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
Did did manchabo just pretend moving from 27 to 10 isn't a big deal? Wow

He didn’t think the Denver qb situation would be a big drop off either.

He’s a mess
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
Did did manchabo just pretend moving from 27 to 10 isn't a big deal? Wow

I did not. I said that Mahomes is so good that moving from 27 to 10 is not reflective of actually knowing how good he was.

And I have also noted repeatedly the context that no one knew how good he was--not any other team. It's kind of hard to believe that no team in the NFL had a scout capable of recognizing how good he would be, except the Chiefs.

Especially in the broader context of scouts routinely having consensus views on number one or number two pick QBs who turn out to be dogshit.
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It's not like I'm making this shit up. Look at draft history and the success rate on first round QB picks is less than 50%

https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/4/1...ted-in-round-1

And so many times you have guys picked one or two, everyone agrees they're good picks, and they fail.
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Originally Posted by manchambo:
It's not like I'm making this shit up. Look at draft history and the success rate on first round QB picks is less than 50%

https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/4/1...ted-in-round-1

And so many times you have guys picked one or two, everyone agrees they're good picks, and they fail.

Well, not everyone can recognize talent like our front office
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You realize Veach and Paton are on different stratosphere right? That's not luck or accident
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