Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
You thought Russ was "fixed" :-)
Yep, that mother fucker was in here all excited (like he is now) about Russ. Was talking an ownership percentage and everything. Who has shorter memories than Dungkeys fans? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DomCasual:
Well, other than Russ, who was an unmitigated disaster (and he actually got two years), they've not really made any kind of investment in them.
But I would argue that the biggest contributor to this has been the train wreck of an ownership situation since Pat Bowlen stepped away from the team. In just a few years, we went from having one of the best ownership situations in all of sports to literally having the worst (at least in the NFL). Bowlen's memory started to slip in 2009 or 2010. John Elway (and Peyton Manning), early on, mitigated some of that - for the good and the bad, there was no doubt who was running the Broncos.
After the last Super Bowl, there were just too many competing opinions, and too many conflicts of interest. Where does that get you? It gets you passed up by the best coaching candidates, because they don't want to go down with a sinking ship - instead of the Kyle Shanahans of the world, you end up with Vance Joseph, Vic Fangio, and Nathaniel Hackett.
In terms of taking your lumps with a young quarterback, it gets you guys like Case Keenum and Joe Flacco. They're quick fixes, at best. When they don't do well out of the gate (because they're, you know, not good - in most cases, they never were good, other than a flash or two), you quickly move on; because you don't really have any skin in the game with them.
Russell Wilson is a great example of having a committed owner - ironically, in both his signing and in his release. No one at Dove Valley since Bowlen would have ever had the authority (or the courage) to sign off on a commitment like Russell Wilson. And what's worse is that once that situation was clearly doomed, it took courage and vision (and money) to say, "Let's take our lumps on this and move on." Otherwise, we let it play out, and we have absolutely no hope for the next three years.
Everyone is excited about Bo Nix. But the biggest signing the Broncos have made since Peyton Manning was the Walton-Penner group.
Yeah, bringing in more people who don’t have a clue how to run a football team was brilliant, add in Condoleezza Rice to this equation. I see it working out about as well as another team in our division with a clueless owner. The Fade! [Reply]
Originally Posted by DomCasual:
Well, other than Russ, who was an unmitigated disaster (and he actually got two years), they've not really made any kind of investment in them.
But I would argue that the biggest contributor to this has been the train wreck of an ownership situation since Pat Bowlen stepped away from the team. In just a few years, we went from having one of the best ownership situations in all of sports to literally having the worst (at least in the NFL). Bowlen's memory started to slip in 2009 or 2010. John Elway (and Peyton Manning), early on, mitigated some of that - for the good and the bad, there was no doubt who was running the Broncos.
After the last Super Bowl, there were just too many competing opinions, and too many conflicts of interest. Where does that get you? It gets you passed up by the best coaching candidates, because they don't want to go down with a sinking ship - instead of the Kyle Shanahans of the world, you end up with Vance Joseph, Vic Fangio, and Nathaniel Hackett.
In terms of taking your lumps with a young quarterback, it gets you guys like Case Keenum and Joe Flacco. They're quick fixes, at best. When they don't do well out of the gate (because they're, you know, not good - in most cases, they never were good, other than a flash or two), you quickly move on; because you don't really have any skin in the game with them.
Russell Wilson is a great example of having a committed owner - ironically, in both his signing and in his release. No one at Dove Valley since Bowlen would have ever had the authority (or the courage) to sign off on a commitment like Russell Wilson. And what's worse is that once that situation was clearly doomed, it took courage and vision (and money) to say, "Let's take our lumps on this and move on." Otherwise, we let it play out, and we have absolutely no hope for the next three years.
Everyone is excited about Bo Nix. But the biggest signing the Broncos have made since Peyton Manning was the Walton-Penner group.
Payton was brought in to fix Russ and gave him LESS than one year. He gave up because he's a quitter and a charlatan who claims he can work miracles.
The guy was hired to fix Russ. Plain and simple. And he failed. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
I forgot they also had that fluke ass "do over" field goal against the Bills. What a charlatan Paydaton is.
Exactly! Plus all the fluke turnovers that allowed them to win 5 games in a row, to get them into WC contention, and then went 2-4 down the stretch when the turnovers stopped. [Reply]
I love this narrative that Payton is just unlucky. No, he's an unrepentant douchefuck that lacks any sort of discipline and it reflects in his failures throughout his career. His only real playoff run has a massive asterisk next to it thanks to Bountygate and his teams routinely choked against vastly inferior competition. One of the funniest things I've ever seen is Sean Payton mocking Vikings fans with the Skol chant only to lose because Marcus Williams mashed the hit stick way too early and managed to give Minnesota their best playoff highlight in history. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TEX:
Exactly! Plus all the fluke turnovers that allowed them to win 5 games in a row, to get them into WC contention, and then went 2-4 down the stretch when the turnovers stopped.
Well, damn... so did they have any legit wins in 2023? They really do need to step it up. [Reply]
