Originally Posted by Mile High Mania:
Totally agree. It’s a good story though, so I think that’s how the NFL will script it. They want him to return with a win to face Wilson in week 2.
Lol, well, I guess we'll see how good the NFL scriptwriters are then. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
We'll see....
Aw shucks… was hoping to be enlightened by something magical, guess I’ll just wait for it to happen and you’ll say that’s what you said would happen. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mile High Mania:
How do you define success for Bo Nix this season?
Maybe you should ask your own franchise that question. They don't seem to have much patience for any QB past a season.
Semen got a year then was told to hit the curb. All the brilliant huddles in the world wasn't good enough for Keesum. The team never bothered setting up Lock with a good coaching staff or any time. And your magical head coach brought in to fix all the ills elected to do the same thing as his predecessors by flushing Russ even at the expense of like $80 million in dead money or whatever it is.
Denver QBs get one year to look like a top 10 QB and then they're whisked off the stage.
So I guess for Bo's sake, I'd say success for him is playing to a level that will let him keep his job next year. And given who he's playing for, that might be out of reach. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mile High Mania:
How do you define success for Bo Nix this season?
His success is going to hinge on if he can develop his intermediate/long passing game...
He seems like Alex Smith...short, accurate passing which falls apart against the top 25% of teams. QBs like this cant succeed on marginal rosters...they can get you wins against the bottom feeders.
I wouldnt expect Nix to become something he isn't....it's possible but doesn't happen very often. Denver fans always think that they will bring in a QB..and just the fact he plays for the Broncos...he will magically become better than what he was...and it never works out that way.
I think what you are seeing in preseason/college...is what he is...likely just good enough to keep the Doinks in perpetual purgatory...which is great from a Chief fan's perspective. I'd rather he be above average than completely suck...so they get Derek Carr syndrome....thinking if they just get a better WR...or defensive star each off-season, it'll finally get them over the top.
Too much QB talent in the AFC right now for a QB like Nix...PM, Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Stroud, Herbert, Lawerence, Tua... [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Maybe you should ask your own franchise that question. They don't seem to have much patience for any QB past a season.
Semen got a year then was told to hit the curb. All the brilliant huddles in the world wasn't good enough for Keesum. The team never bothered setting up Lock with a good coaching staff or any time. And your magical head coach brought in to fix all the ills elected to do the same thing as his predecessors by flushing Russ even at the expense of like $80 million in dead money or whatever it is.
Denver QBs get one year to look like a top 10 QB and then they're whisked off the stage.
So I guess for Bo's sake, I'd say success for him is playing to a level that will let him keep his job next year. And given who he's playing for, that might be out of reach.
Well, other than Russ, who was an unmitigated disaster (and he actually got two years), they've not really made any kind of investment in them.
But I would argue that the biggest contributor to this has been the train wreck of an ownership situation since Pat Bowlen stepped away from the team. In just a few years, we went from having one of the best ownership situations in all of sports to literally having the worst (at least in the NFL). Bowlen's memory started to slip in 2009 or 2010. John Elway (and Peyton Manning), early on, mitigated some of that - for the good and the bad, there was no doubt who was running the Broncos.
After the last Super Bowl, there were just too many competing opinions, and too many conflicts of interest. Where does that get you? It gets you passed up by the best coaching candidates, because they don't want to go down with a sinking ship - instead of the Kyle Shanahans of the world, you end up with Vance Joseph, Vic Fangio, and Nathaniel Hackett.
In terms of taking your lumps with a young quarterback, it gets you guys like Case Keenum and Joe Flacco. They're quick fixes, at best. When they don't do well out of the gate (because they're, you know, not good - in most cases, they never were good, other than a flash or two), you quickly move on; because you don't really have any skin in the game with them.
Russell Wilson is a great example of having a committed owner - ironically, in both his signing and in his release. No one at Dove Valley since Bowlen would have ever had the authority (or the courage) to sign off on a commitment like Russell Wilson. And what's worse is that once that situation was clearly doomed, it took courage and vision (and money) to say, "Let's take our lumps on this and move on." Otherwise, we let it play out, and we have absolutely no hope for the next three years.
Everyone is excited about Bo Nix. But the biggest signing the Broncos have made since Peyton Manning was the Walton-Penner group. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DomCasual:
Well, other than Russ, who was an unmitigated disaster (and he actually got two years), they've not really made any kind of investment in them.
But I would argue that the biggest contributor to this has been the train wreck of an ownership situation since Pat Bowlen stepped away from the team. In just a few years, we went from having one of the best ownership situations in all of sports to literally having the worst (at least in the NFL). Bowlen's memory started to slip in 2009 or 2010. John Elway (and Peyton Manning), early on, mitigated some of that - for the good and the bad, there was no doubt who was running the Broncos.
After the last Super Bowl, there were just too many competing opinions, and too many conflicts of interest. Where does that get you? It gets you passed up by the best coaching candidates, because they don't want to go down with a sinking ship - instead of the Kyle Shanahans of the world, you end up with Vance Joseph, Vic Fangio, and Nathaniel Hackett.
In terms of taking your lumps with a young quarterback, it gets you guys like Case Keenum and Joe Flacco. They're quick fixes, at best. When they don't do well out of the gate (because they're, you know, not good - in most cases, they never were good, other than a flash or two), you quickly move on; because you don't really have any skin in the game with them.
Russell Wilson is a great example of having a committed owner - ironically, in both his signing and in his release. No one at Dove Valley since Bowlen would have ever had the authority (or the courage) to sign off on a commitment like Russell Wilson. And what's worse is that once that situation was clearly doomed, it took courage and vision (and money) to say, "Let's take our lumps on this and move on." Otherwise, we let it play out, and we have absolutely no hope for the next three years.
Everyone is excited about Bo Nix. But the biggest signing the Broncos have made since Peyton Manning was the Walton-Penner group.
Bet your wife thought this was really "adorable." [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mile High Mania:
Aw shucks… was hoping to be enlightened by something magical, guess I’ll just wait for it to happen and you’ll say that’s what you said would happen.
Well it's hard to tell because QBs tend to put up good numbers in that dink and duck offensive system. (Even a cooked Russ did, but the offense overall was pure dogshit anyway) Sean LOVES winning 8 ganes...Fisher style, so a 6 or 7 win season wouldn't be surprising [Reply]
Originally Posted by DomCasual:
Well, other than Russ, who was an unmitigated disaster (and he actually got two years), they've not really made any kind of investment in them.
But I would argue that the biggest contributor to this has been the train wreck of an ownership situation since Pat Bowlen stepped away from the team. In just a few years, we went from having one of the best ownership situations in all of sports to literally having the worst (at least in the NFL). Bowlen's memory started to slip in 2009 or 2010. John Elway (and Peyton Manning), early on, mitigated some of that - for the good and the bad, there was no doubt who was running the Broncos.
After the last Super Bowl, there were just too many competing opinions, and too many conflicts of interest. Where does that get you? It gets you passed up by the best coaching candidates, because they don't want to go down with a sinking ship - instead of the Kyle Shanahans of the world, you end up with Vance Joseph, Vic Fangio, and Nathaniel Hackett.
In terms of taking your lumps with a young quarterback, it gets you guys like Case Keenum and Joe Flacco. They're quick fixes, at best. When they don't do well out of the gate (because they're, you know, not good - in most cases, they never were good, other than a flash or two), you quickly move on; because you don't really have any skin in the game with them.
Russell Wilson is a great example of having a committed owner - ironically, in both his signing and in his release. No one at Dove Valley since Bowlen would have ever had the authority (or the courage) to sign off on a commitment like Russell Wilson. And what's worse is that once that situation was clearly doomed, it took courage and vision (and money) to say, "Let's take our lumps on this and move on." Otherwise, we let it play out, and we have absolutely no hope for the next three years.
Everyone is excited about Bo Nix. But the biggest signing the Broncos have made since Peyton Manning was the Walton-Penner group.
