Originally Posted by jjchieffan:
So, you prefer to be like Nebraska, who fired perennial 10 win coaches in Frank Solich and Bo Pelini who then went on to suck under their replacement? Of course, if Drink could get to 10 wins, his job would be safe. But, my point is, that the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. I want to see Mizzou as a championship contender. If Drink isn't the guy to get them there, so be it. But let's not get hasty about firing him. The replacement could set the team back like Nebraska's hires have set their team back.
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
I guess my question is who do you think you will get after firing a guy who's taken you to a bowl every year he's been a coach at MU? I can give you countless examples of coaches who've been successful when given a little bit of time. I can also show you plenty of programs who've failed when they quick to fire a coach.
Correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't exactly recall alot of proven names who were serious candidates for the job the last few times ya'll were looking. Rhule comes to mind but he was an unknown at the time. I think your expectations are a little high
If we win less than 8 games, then Eli will have a worse record than Barry Odumb did in his time here. Barry was fired after a 7 win season. If Eli goes with one of the young QBs and wins 6 games, but they look decent, then yeah he deserves more time. If he goes with Brady Cook, then he's nailing that coffin shut. If Cook starts, then we're probably losing Horn and Garcia. We lose those guys and then we are stuck with jack shit at QB and this team is probably a dumpster fire in 2024. Probably lose Luther Burden, because he's not sticking around with shit at QB. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
I guess my question is who do you think you will get after firing a guy who's taken you to a bowl every year he's been a coach at MU? I can give you countless examples of coaches who've been successful when given a little bit of time. I can also show you plenty of programs who've failed when they quick to fire a coach.
Correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't exactly recall alot of proven names who were serious candidates for the job the last few times ya'll were looking. Rhule comes to mind but he was an unknown at the time. I think your expectations are a little high
Well, a few things.
4 years is enough time to show growth in the program. Skidding sideways through all of it doesn't equal to growth.
We're not going to get Arky delusional here, but I think it's realistic to expect competent QB play and 7-8 wins by now. Not too much.
Still not going to rule it out. Maybe the new OC will save Drinkwitz from himself by the KState game.
You can qualify for a bowl while still nearly being dead ass last in the SEC East. Barely qualifying to lose on a Tuesday bowl isn't a giant barometer of success.
Being in the bottom of the standings year in year out is enough justification, and it's only going to get even harder starting next year.
Sonny Dykes wanted the job the last go around (oof that one stings rn) and well he didn't do too bad last year. Finding a decent candidate isn't impossible and they have an AD that just revived a BB that was comatose. I think we'll be fine. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Well, a few things.
4 years is enough time to show growth in the program. Skidding sideways through all of it doesn't equal to growth.
We're not going to get Arky delusional here, but I think it's realistic to expect competent QB play and 7-8 wins by now. Not too much.
Still not going to rule it out. Maybe the new OC will save Drinkwitz from himself by the KState game.
You can qualify for a bowl while still nearly being dead ass last in the SEC East. Barely qualifying to lose on a Tuesday bowl isn't a giant barometer of success.
Being in the bottom of the standings year in year out is enough justification, and it's only going to get even harder starting next year.
Sonny Dykes wanted the job the last go around and well he didn't do too bad last year. Finding a decent candidate isn't impossible and they have an AD that just revived a BB that was comatose. I think we'll be fine.
You're in the 30s regarding football budget and towards the bottom in NIL in the SEC last time I checked. You're going to have to go the development route if you want to be competitive which takes time [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
You're in the 30s regarding football budget and towards the bottom in NIL in the SEC last time I checked. You're going to have to go the development route if you want to be competitive which takes time
Our state legislature just passed the most friendly NIL bill in the nation. That should be incredibly helpful. School officials and coaches can now discuss NIL with prospects. In state high school kids can now immediately start getting paid once they sign with an in state school. That means in February if a MO high school student signs with Mizzou, then they can start getting paid while in high school. That's pretty huge for families and kids that are barely making ends meet. This has gotta increase the amount of in state kids that we pull in. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Our state legislature just passed the most friendly NIL bill in the nation. That should be incredibly helpful. School officials and coaches can now discuss NIL with prospects. In state high school kids can now immediately start getting paid once they sign with an in state school. That means in February if a MO high school student signs with Mizzou, then they can start getting paid while in high school. That's pretty huge for families and kids that are barely making ends meet. This has gotta increase the amount of in state kids that we pull in.
Yep. The NIL money will flow soon and flow heavy when the program has a real pulse again.
As for football budget, they're not going to be paying on the stadium expansion forever and SEC payout is about to rocket. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Our state legislature just passed the most friendly NIL bill in the nation. That should be incredibly helpful. School officials and coaches can now discuss NIL with prospects. In state high school kids can now immediately start getting paid once they sign with an in state school. That means in February if a MO high school student signs with Mizzou, then they can start getting paid while in high school. That's pretty huge for families and kids that are barely making ends meet. This has gotta increase the amount of in state kids that we pull in.
Yep. The NIL money will flow soon and flow heavy when the program has a real pulse again.
As for football budget, they're not going to be paying on the stadium expansion forever and SEC payout is about to rocket. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Our state legislature just passed the most friendly NIL bill in the nation. That should be incredibly helpful. School officials and coaches can now discuss NIL with prospects. In state high school kids can now immediately start getting paid once they sign with an in state school. That means in February if a MO high school student signs with Mizzou, then they can start getting paid while in high school. That's pretty huge for families and kids that are barely making ends meet. This has gotta increase the amount of in state kids that we pull in.
Yep. The NIL money will flow soon and flow heavy when the program has a real pulse again.
As for football budget, they're not going to be paying on the stadium expansion forever and SEC payout is about to rocket.
While I am anti-Drinkwitz at this point, I'd prefer to be wrong and Garcia or Horn are starting and they do move forward. The program needs the stability, I just don't think cutting the programs future in the knees is worth that stability. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Our state legislature just passed the most friendly NIL bill in the nation. That should be incredibly helpful. School officials and coaches can now discuss NIL with prospects. In state high school kids can now immediately start getting paid once they sign with an in state school. That means in February if a MO high school student signs with Mizzou, then they can start getting paid while in high school. That's pretty huge for families and kids that are barely making ends meet. This has gotta increase the amount of in state kids that we pull in.
Yep. The NIL money will flow soon and flow heavy when the program has a real pulse again.
As for football budget, they're not going to be paying on the stadium expansion forever and SEC payout is about to rocket.
While I am anti-Drinkwitz at this point, I'd prefer to be wrong and Garcia or Horn are starting and they do move forward. The program needs the stability, I just don't think cutting the programs future in the knees is worth that stability. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
So we're going the 'clever nicknames' route, eh?
Yeah - those tend to be conversations that are DEFINITELY worth having. And with people that are just a joy having them with.
Have fun with that.
It's my thing lol. I've been calling him Drinkspiss since last season and I'm far from the only person that has given coaches nicknames. Hell, Duncan gave Cuonzo a "clever nickname". You clearly have more faith in Eli, than I do. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
It's my thing lol. I've been calling him Drinkspiss since last season and I'm far from the only person that has given coaches nicknames. Hell, Duncan gave Cuonzo a "clever nickname". You clearly have more faith in Eli, than I do.
I don't think he forgot the things he showed he knew at App State, no. Or things that we know Harsin was doing (while bringing Drink with him and promoting him).
We'd have all called Harsin a HR hire yet you put no stock in the fact that Harsin trusted Drink enough to bring him from stop to stop and promote him? I know he ran a heck of an offense at NC State with little more than Ryan Finley at QB - you think he can't get a Ryan Finley in here?
Bottoming out doesn't get you good draft picks in college football, folks. It puts you in the beginnings of a death spiral that can take DECADES to recover from - ask Kansas.
You're more accepting of that possibility because you think we should be competing for championships in the SEC. Frankly I'm just not sure why. This program doesn't have NEAR the resources that the UGAs, TNs and FLs of the conference do, let alone Alabama, LSU or A&M.
But an area you're seeming to not want to acknowledge, where Drink is making significant roads, is securing those resources. He's very popular among boosters and folks that can bankroll some of these steps into the higher levels of the SEC.
But I'm not going to pretend like Mizzou is college football royalty where 8-9 wins should be considered a disappointment. It just isn't that program. And you can put your bets on the next hire being the guy that annually puts us in the hunt for the SEC championship if you'd like, but if you want to stack odds, the odds OVERWHELMINGLY favor the next guy being someone who puts us in the basement of the SEC vs. puts us in the driver's seat.
The risk/reward ratio just isn't there at all.
"I guess I just have higher standards" - no, you simply lack a fundamental grasp of the reality on the ground. And a serious impulse control issue. [Reply]