Chiefs This seems to explain Mahomes happy feet - Page 5

OL got absolutely wrecked the first 3 drives. Patrick probably felt like he had to get rid for he ball quickly or scramble the rest of the game bc of the early OL play.

1st play: Wants to take a deep shot to start the game, gears up, about to unleash, and has an OL in his lap and can't follow through. Has to pull the ball down and dump it off. pic.twitter.com/DwqvMh4h3Q
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

3rd play: Can't step into the throw because and OL is being pushed into his follow through area and has to throw it flat footed to Kelce. Incredible throw. Catching a theme here yet? pic.twitter.com/QWTmg46LKD
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

5th play: Immediate read not open, left side of the OL starts getting collapsed into him, finds his RB on the check down but the ball gets tipped by a DL. pic.twitter.com/fg66gFFFnk
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

7th play: Nice pocket, ball out on time, hits the WR in the hands on 3rd down for a dropped pass. pic.twitter.com/9vUVTY8zbV
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

9th play: Stunts going on but a cleaner pocket than it seems from the back view. Doesn't matter, ball out and ripped to the WR for a completion. pic.twitter.com/nNZFaP4YB5
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

11th play: Defense wins the rep, gets a free rusher for a quick sack. pic.twitter.com/3pwQeLXykT
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

13th play: Hits the top of his drop, already has to slide left, hits the TE down the middle while another DL gets hands on him after the throw. pic.twitter.com/IHsNKMZRCP
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

15th play: Clean pocket, drifts slightly left towards his throw and completes the pass. pic.twitter.com/8UodoeN8k4
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

17th play: FIRST time all game he's gotten "happy feet" or bailed from a clean pocket. Feels the stunts and games and makes a run for it. Should've stayed in the pocket. pic.twitter.com/mGinhozWgH
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

Ok, so do we understand now? Every clean pocket except for the INT was a nice play and completed pass. He had people in his face from the get go, and the pocket was continually getting collapsed into him. Despite that he still completed a lot of those passes early on.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

By my eye the OL has not allowed Pat to feel clean pockets with regularity most of the year. It started late in the 2nd quarter of the Baltimore game and has mostly continued through this game. For whatever reason the protection hasn't been quite as good.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

That will need to change, and quick, because of the injuries to the WR position and changes there. But I wanted to do this to show that what we do up front is usually the biggest difference in every game, regardless of who's throwing and who's catching. It's still an OL league.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

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Originally Posted by RunKC:
OL got absolutely wrecked the first 3 drives. Patrick probably felt like he had to get rid for he ball quickly or scramble the rest of the game bc of the early OL play.

1st play: Wants to take a deep shot to start the game, gears up, about to unleash, and has an OL in his lap and can't follow through. Has to pull the ball down and dump it off. pic.twitter.com/DwqvMh4h3Q
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

3rd play: Can't step into the throw because and OL is being pushed into his follow through area and has to throw it flat footed to Kelce. Incredible throw. Catching a theme here yet? pic.twitter.com/QWTmg46LKD
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

5th play: Immediate read not open, left side of the OL starts getting collapsed into him, finds his RB on the check down but the ball gets tipped by a DL. pic.twitter.com/fg66gFFFnk
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

7th play: Nice pocket, ball out on time, hits the WR in the hands on 3rd down for a dropped pass. pic.twitter.com/9vUVTY8zbV
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

9th play: Stunts going on but a cleaner pocket than it seems from the back view. Doesn't matter, ball out and ripped to the WR for a completion. pic.twitter.com/nNZFaP4YB5
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

11th play: Defense wins the rep, gets a free rusher for a quick sack. pic.twitter.com/3pwQeLXykT
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

13th play: Hits the top of his drop, already has to slide left, hits the TE down the middle while another DL gets hands on him after the throw. pic.twitter.com/IHsNKMZRCP
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

15th play: Clean pocket, drifts slightly left towards his throw and completes the pass. pic.twitter.com/8UodoeN8k4
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

17th play: FIRST time all game he's gotten "happy feet" or bailed from a clean pocket. Feels the stunts and games and makes a run for it. Should've stayed in the pocket. pic.twitter.com/mGinhozWgH
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

Ok, so do we understand now? Every clean pocket except for the INT was a nice play and completed pass. He had people in his face from the get go, and the pocket was continually getting collapsed into him. Despite that he still completed a lot of those passes early on.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

By my eye the OL has not allowed Pat to feel clean pockets with regularity most of the year. It started late in the 2nd quarter of the Baltimore game and has mostly continued through this game. For whatever reason the protection hasn't been quite as good.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

That will need to change, and quick, because of the injuries to the WR position and changes there. But I wanted to do this to show that what we do up front is usually the biggest difference in every game, regardless of who's throwing and who's catching. It's still an OL league.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi:
Agreed

Hmm

Which part do you agree with?
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Originally Posted by dlphg9:
The most significant change was that Mahomes went from being an MVP to looking like a mere mortal.

Well yeah. The why is what we're trying to figure out. You don't think coaching has something to do with it? With him even saying his fundamentals and mechanics are a mess?
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Mitch is gem. I love that guy.
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Originally Posted by -King-:
It was the only significant change unless you think going from Juju to Rice was a significant downgrade. They upgraded at RT and stayed the same/slight downgrade at LT.

The biggest and most consequential change was Nagy.

Yep. It's not rocket science, it's connect the dots. :-)
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The offense doesn't look any different to me though?
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I think the answer is that there are a few things just a little bit off. I don't think wholesale changes are a good idea. That just introduces more uncertainty. I just think they need to play through it and settle in.
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Some of that from Mitch seems.....a little hard on the OL. If the expectation is a perfect pocket....I dunno. Seems he settled in ok the more the game progressed.
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Originally Posted by O.city:
Some of that from Mitch seems.....a little hard on the OL. If the expectation is a perfect pocket....I dunno. Seems he settled in ok the more the game progressed.

I think they just came out a little flat. Their opponents never do, because KC is the benchmark everyone aims for.

It must be a Herculean effort to be 100% locked in 20 games a year, for four quarters each week. I think it's that simple.
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Originally Posted by O.city:
Some of that from Mitch seems.....a little hard on the OL. If the expectation is a perfect pocket....I dunno. Seems he settled in ok the more the game progressed.

They played against a DL with nobodies and Mack and got their ass kicked the entire first half. They should be called on it.

The Watson miss and Worthy miss was on Trey IMO. You can�t get beat like that and walked back into your QB, especially when the guy that�s open in on that side and you�re blocking the QB�s line of sight.

OL ruined those missed not Patrick
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They didn't get their ass kicked. If getting pushed back a half step or two and reanchoring is getting your ass kicked and causes your QB to do that....then we've got bigger issues.
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The excuses we're kinda going thru to make it so it's not the QB playing poorly are getting a little extreme.

The pocket is a maelstrom. You've gotta be able to feel your way around in there.
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Yeah it was a total loss by the OL on the right side. I don’t think Patrick even saw Watson bc Trey was pushed into his face as Watson got open. Also pressure from Jawaan’s side.

The 2nd half was Patrick’s fault but the first half was the OL.

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How dare you, Mitchell Schwartz.

How dare you question the keen football eyes of such legendary CP talent evaluators like TheTardian and BWillie?

You would place blame on the BEST OFFENSIVE LINE IN FOOTBALL simply to cover for this...this sham? Thus fraud we have suiting up at qb?

Patrick Mahomes is not elite. Hell, he's not even good. Point of fact, Patrick Mahomes flat out sucks and is merely the product of 6 years of the most masterful smoke and mirrors performances by Andy Reid the world has ever seen.

Don't you ever again, Mitchell Schwartz, dare put the poor performances of this paper champion we have posing as a quarterback on our infallible offensive line.

Tardian, BWillie, and the rest of the CP Mahomes truthers, I am sorry that you have been slighted by Mitchell Schwartz in this way.

The world needs to know that Patrick Mahomes was never elite. Just a lucky back yard football turd polished to a diamond shine by the greatest coach that ever lived.
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Originally Posted by O.city:
They didn't get their ass kicked. If getting pushed back a half step or two and reanchoring is getting your ass kicked and causes your QB to do that....then we've got bigger issues.

The first quarter was a little more than 'getting pushed back and re-anchoring..."

It was a concerted effort by SD to just collapse the pocket.

It was almost funny. Again, they weren't really even making rush moves. They were just hammering into the line and attempting to rock the middle.
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Originally Posted by O.city:
The offense doesn't look any different to me though?

Schematically it isn't.

And honestly, I'd be surprised if the aggregate OL 'fail rate' is even any worse than it has been in years past.

We're probably having roughly the same number of 'ick' plays but we're not surrounding them with the splash plays. Maybe there's some cumulative affect on PM so he's getting jumpy. Maybe it's simply that he's missing the shots he usually hits.

Focusing on the 'failed' plays kinda overlooks the fact that in years past, those plays didn't fail even when the OL played at that same level.

We've talked about this as it relates to the run game a lot of times. The studies on this show that the success rate for the OL has a much higher correlation to success on a run play than it does on a pass. And it is essentially across the line.

In other words, for a successful run play, you need 5 guys to all make their blocks.

On a passing play, that correlation isn't nearly as strong. A guy can fail and the play could very easily still work. QBs have far more ability to make chicken salad from chicken shit than RBs do. And that's what's being lost in this conversation.

Great QBs have an almost preternatural ability to make chicken salad from chicken shit. PM is the best (maybe ever) at that when he's playing well.

Right now we're getting some of those same failures we've always had and using them as justifications for a failed play when they didn't used to scuttle that play the way they are at the moment.

The data's out there.

But I do think there's room for a little bit of latitude at least as it relates to that first quarter because what the Chargers did was just completely unique and we clearly were not ready for it. I can see how that might have rattled Mahomes a bit. It doesn't excuse the dog-ass pass he threw to Kelce with a plenty clean pocket or his subsequently smashing Rice's knee, but it might explain why so much of that quarter seemed completely disjointed.
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