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DJ's left nut 09:14 AM 11-22-2024
https://open.substack.com/pub/mnchie...utm_medium=web

I don't typically re-post his stuff because I think you want to support guys trying to freelance like he does. But I think this contributes to conversation enough to be worthwhile.

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It's what many of us have been saying - those folks that are killing the OT play just aren't paying that much attention. Yes, it's been bad at times. No, it's not the primary problem for a great deal many of these games.

On Sunday the issues were overwhelmingly Trey Smith and Patrick Mahomes. The pass protection issues have extended well beyond the OT play. And Patrick Mahomes is the single biggest culprit to the misfiring offense (at least he was in Buffalo and that was just a continuation of what we've seen this season, IMO)
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RunKC 12:13 PM 11-22-2024
I think Mahomes himself would tell you he’s not playing to his standard. I think that will change when the postseason starts and he gets locked in.

Everyone needs to read this part of the Star article again. The Chiefs are really really close to being elite on offense.

In a way the Hollywood injury is a good thing bc it has forced us and Worthy himself to build that chemistry with Patrick taking on a bigger role.

I think they fix this by January and Hollywood/Pacheco returning makes this Chiefs offense absolutely lethal.

Originally Posted by :
Those four plays — those four must-be-completed throws — came on drives in which the Chiefs didn’t end up scoring. In fact, they would total less than 10 yards combined after the misses.

So what would it look like if they had hit those shots instead?

Instead of being ranked 16th in yards, the Chiefs’ offense would be one yard per game shy of seventh — two spots higher than they were a year ago. Instead of ranking 11th in points per game, they would be sixth.

It is the literal difference between progression and regression.

For the team.

And the player.

Mahomes’ passer rating would jump from 90.2 to 100.1 with those four completions alone. He’d move to the top-five in the league in both yards and touchdowns.

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BWillie 12:19 PM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by Rainbarrel:
Jackson needs to slap a bitch, dad needs to down a fifth and Britney needs to trigger social media
The mom needs to sit on it
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Buehler445 12:26 PM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Did you watch how many times Wilson stood in last night and took a SHOT to get the ball downfield?

I'm fucking done with "Mahomes doesn't trust the OL"

You're an NFL quarterback. You're gonna get hit. Put your big boy pants on and play the position.

Besides, as was noted in the article, his indecision is GETTING him blasted about half the time. Throw the damn ball on time and you can avoid a bunch of these shots you're taking.
I agree in principle.

However, I don't want Mahomes taking the absolute destruction Wilson took last night. Holy fuck. Maybe it's because he's so little, but fuck I thought he was dead on a couple of those. AFCN and all that, but fuck.

I don't want any too much of that.
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mr. tegu 12:31 PM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Nonsense. The guy had QBRs of 88.8, 91.5, 91.3, and 76.4 in four playoff games last season against maybe the toughest competition anybody has ever faced in a postseason run. You can easily make the argument it was the best he'd ever played in a 4 game stretch.

That didn't simply happen because of "cutting out the interceptions" or not throwing to Skyy Moore. He elevated his level of play significantly, which he has shown the ability to do consistently in the playoffs in his career.

We went a full game in a row worth without a TD and just three points between the AFC championship and Super Bowl. We didn’t break that drought until a punt hit a punt return blocker. Both of those games looked very similar to the entire season (outside of the already mentioned turnovers) with the offense getting bogged down and just hoping the defense kept them in it which they did of course.

We will have one, if not two games this post season that will in all likelihood be just like the Bills game where the defense isn’t getting off the field as quickly and frequently. Last year’s performance from the offense will not win this year.

Also, last season is really the only playoff run he has had to actually elevate beyond his regular season performance since it’s the first one he played so poorly (by his standards) for a whole season in.
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KC_Connection 12:41 PM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
We went a full game in a row worth without a TD and just three points between the AFC championship and Super Bowl. We didn’t break that drought until a punt hit a punt return blocker. Both of those games looked very similar to the entire season (outside of the already mentioned turnovers) with the offense getting bogged down and just hoping the defense kept them in it which they did of course.
He played 3 excellent games in a row followed by one very good one in the SB against the toughest competition any QB had ever faced in a playoff run. Are Chiefs fans really trying to trash this guy’s performance in the playoffs now?

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Also, last season is really the only playoff run he has had to actually elevate beyond his regular season performance since it’s the first one he played so poorly (by his standards) for a whole season in.
You may want to go look up his 2021 regular season and where that ranks as far as QBR goes in his career. This has become a standard thing for him this decade.
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KC_Connection 12:43 PM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
I agree in principle.

However, I don't want Mahomes taking the absolute destruction Wilson took last night. Holy ****. Maybe it's because he's so little, but **** I thought he was dead on a couple of those. AFCN and all that, but ****.

I don't want any too much of that.
These games aren’t worth Patrick taking hits like Russ did last night and Patrick, on some level, must know that.
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pugsnotdrugs19 12:48 PM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
These games aren’t worth Patrick taking hits like Russ did last night and Patrick, on some level, must know that.
He does. He told Simms in his pre-week 1 sit down interview that he tries not to run anymore unless its playoffs or do or die spots.

But then he still hate tackles after a pick in that Chargers game which coulda easily hurt himself, instead hurt his WR1. So.
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dlphg9 12:51 PM 11-22-2024
It doesn't matter how many sources we provide people they're still going to shift blame to Wanya Morris. You can show them every single play that there was pressure and explain where that pressure is coming from, but they either don't watch or are too proud to admit they were wrong.
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mr. tegu 12:54 PM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
He played 3 excellent games in a row followed by one very good one in the SB against the toughest competition any QB had ever faced in a playoff run. Are Chiefs fans really trying to trash this guy’s performance in the playoffs now?


You may want to go look up his 2021 regular season and where that ranks as far as QBR goes in his career. This has become a standard thing for him this decade.

No, I’m simply pointing out that yes, he elevated his game, but even with that we needed the defense to do the heavy lifting keeping us in both of those games, allowing him to wok his magic.

As for 2021, he had some bad games here and there throughout the season but he also had a lot of really good games. We averaged 35.4 ppg the last five games of that season. He also had a good QBR in those games. That production continued in the first two games but none of those last 5 regular season games remotely approached how bad he was in the AFC championship. Basically in 2021 the post season reflected the regular season exactly. Some really great games with a clunker.
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Hoover 12:55 PM 11-22-2024
All that said, I think the issue is that Patrick doesn’t trust his LT, refuses to step up in the pocket, and three feels pressure to throw the deep ball.

Personally I think we run a little too much on 2nd down.
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Megatron96 01:01 PM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Okay, but teams are now BANKING on that tendency from him. And doing a fantastic job of using it against him.

Goddamn Chargers found the "Blueprint" much more than Fangio ever did. This pressure/flow shit they found is a proooooooblem and of course other teams are now copying it against us.

And the only answer to it is for Mahomes to stand in there and fire. And of course, Smith's gonna have to suck a hell of a lot less to allow for that.

Right now opposing defense are creating chaos designed to give the appearance of a play breaking down when in reality it's mostly just bait designed to get him off his spot and play sped up. And he's taking that bait just about every time.

He's gotta stop. And if they start playing him honest again, he can get back to that. But right now they're using his instincts against him.

Great analysis.


During the game I remember thinking at some point, “BUF seems to be doing to Pat what we’ve been doing to Lamar.” Not sure I actually posted the thought, but I remember thinking it.

The rest, the bad mechanics, sped up clock, poor pocket navigation, etc. I don’t know. Maybe the sprained ankle has been more of an issue mentally than anyone knows? But that just doesn’t seem to explain the unwillingness to pull the trigger on some pretty basic throws, like that one for Worthy running straight up the sideline.

Still will always believe that Pat will somehow fix his shit at some point, but it feels like a lot of shit this time. Hope I’m wrong.
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ThaVirus 01:07 PM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
No one gives a **** if you throw some more interceptions - you already are doing that by playing conservative.
For sure. Time for him to let his nuts hang.
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ThaVirus 01:08 PM 11-22-2024
When was Mahomes’ last 5 TD game? Been a while.

Week 1 of 2022 against Arizona is the last one I remember for sure.
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T-post Tom 01:25 PM 11-22-2024
Reid/Mahomes are the best coach/QB duo in the NFL. Maybe of all time. So I’m not too worried. That said, perhaps PMII has the yips & just needs a fresh voice in his corner. He’s had the same people coaching him for some time. Maybe some quick input from a temporary quarterback consultant might add a new perspective. Whether it’s decision-making, fundamentals or just a slight change in mindset: there’s no shame in trying to improve the process. (Which totally contradicts the fact that I feel like posting this is akin to cheating on your spouse.) :-)
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GordonGekko 01:29 PM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I think Mahomes himself would tell you he’s not playing to his standard.
Mahomes has been saying this the last two years in postgame interviews, he is even tweeting that he is missing open wide receivers. Heck, my GF is saying that he holds the ball way too long and should get rid of it, and she doesn't know much of football except for Tay Tay and Travis.

I still think the LT is a much larger issue, even with a mediocre Mahomes we can still win the Superbowl, but yeah a sub par LT and some team is going to "Buccaneer" us again in the playoffs.
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