I just feel like everyone is going to spend all week talking about Mahomes' ankle or Burrow being a Demigod or Chase against this young secondary or Lou Anarumo being a psychopath...and then in the end it's just going to Samaje Perine bludgeoning Bolton and Gay to death.
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
60 isn't middle of the pack. When you add cuts and rollover it goes up to about 96M.
Also, they only have about 300k dead cap. Every other team in the top 15 has mutimillions in dead cap and only 6 other teams have less than 1M, including the Chiefs.
The ability is there but it's going to take a philisophical change from the front office for any of it to matter.
The ragging on this guy or that guy or front office or coach is what keeps this fun but the truth of the matter is, with an average defense and an average oline, this is a SB contending team.
The ability is there with regards to the cap but is it there cash-wise? And even if the Browns (one of the NFLs poorest ownership groups, btw) CAN shell out that much cash, will they?
Assuming they will, you still have to make good use of resources. You're going to have a hard time convincing Bills or Chiefs fans that Joe not only NEEDS Chase but needs Higgins, too. They're built almost the opposite of the AFCs other good teams and will continue to be if they aren't selective. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
You think change will happen when Mike Brown finally kicks the bucket?
As crotchety and unchanging as he's been, his granddaughters are actually the ones that have changed his mind on some things recently, that have made them actually look like an NFL franchise. Those were all off-field things but at least it brought them into the 21 century.
On field, things are moving slower but the FA class of '21 was a major change.
I don't know if his death will bring much more movement because his daughter is the one that has run the team as much as anyone and along with her husband, treated Andrew Whitworth like shit at the end of his Bengals career.
I think there's a chance...a chance...that things start to change when he's completely out of the picture but more than anything, and this is kind of silly, the immense black cloud that seems to hang over this team will finally be gone. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
I get their frustrations, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point. I don’t recall any fanbase being this entitled with so little to actually show for it.
2022: They lose to KC in the AFCCG and they scream “scripted”! As if the only way KC could beat them is with ref help and a “scripted”.
2024: They lose to KC on a blatant DPI and once again it’s the “script”.
2024: KC rests their starters in a meaningless game as they already locked up the 1 seed and don’t want to lose players or put anything on film. Then a change.org petition is made (believe that it might be trolling) because KC didn’t make enough of an attempt to beat Denver and allow the 9-8 Bengals to make the playoffs. This is only because KC apparently is “scared” of Cincy.
The only thing that has ever looked "Scripted" was the AFCC against the bengals where Mahomes had maybe one of his best Halves in football, followed by the biggest epic meltdown. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk:
Kewl. What's yer username and password brah?
Here you go…
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The Bengals missed the playoffs with superstars Joe Burrow, Ja’Marr Chase and Trey Hendrickson enjoying elite individual seasons. Was it only a temporary setback or is Burrow on the Carson Palmer frustration train?
Finishing 9-8 and out of the playoffs with Burrow tossing 43 touchdown passes, Chase topping 1,700 yards and Hendrickson collecting 17.5 sacks once would have seemed impossible. It happened.
The Bengals spent Sunday hoping Kansas City and Miami would win so they could reach the playoffs. It had to be a powerless feeling as the Chiefs rested starters and lost big, ending Cincinnati’s season.
Burrow might feel similarly powerless entering an offseason that could be pivotal for the Bengals. He’s lobbying for the team to keep receiver Tee Higgins in particular.
“You don’t want to make a living out of letting great players walk away,” Burrow said Tuesday. “That’s why you try to get those deals done early.”
The Bengals are not known for getting deals done early. Burrow knows this. He wants to change this.
Burrow doubled down Saturday after keeping alive the Bengals’ playoff hopes, if only temporarily, with a victory over the Steelers.
What happens if Higgins leaves and the Bengals regress on offense? What happens if their defense, which has fallen off after safety Jessie Bates, tackle D.J. Reader and others departed, continues to slide? It ranked 29th in EPA per play this season despite a late rally against poor offenses. (Update: Defensive coordinator Lou Anarumo was fired Monday, sources told The Athletic.)
Palmer made 99 regular-season and postseason starts with the Bengals before growing so frustrated with the organization that he held out and forced a trade. Burrow is 76 starts into his career and hinting at some frustration over the team letting Higgins reach the brink of free agency, with Chase due for a market-setting extension.
Palmer generally enjoyed strong weaponry until No. 2 receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh departed as a free agent in 2009, a year after top wideout Chad Ochocinco tried to force the team into trading him. The current situation is not the same, but what happens with Chase and Higgins surely will affect Burrow’s outlook on the future.
To my previous post, it's one thing to tie up cap. If they were to sign Chase and Higgins to somewhat standard deals, they're looking at $20-25M, if that, for a cap hit in 2025. They will have plenty of cap space.
The problem for the Bengals ownership is that standard, back loaded deals almost always come with a bunch of up-front guarantees. They're looking at having to pay them way north of $100M just to sign. Do they have $250M in cash to actually do it? And if they do, will they want to spend that much in one off-season?
I'd be hard pressed to be a Bengals fan right now. Burrow is obviously one of the very best QBs in the game. His offense is loaded and it's exciting. The organizational dysfunction though is just astounding at times. They don't seem to be blazing the same trail that the guys on the field are. They don't seem to be making some of the bold moves that might be necessary. I mean let's face it, they have Burrow and Chase because they sucked bad enough to get those picks? What else have they really done?
I guess I just don't see much urgency from the Brown family. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
The ability is there with regards to the cap but is it there cash-wise? And even if the Browns (one of the NFLs poorest ownership groups, btw) CAN shell out that much cash, will they?
Assuming they will, you still have to make good use of resources. You're going to have a hard time convincing Bills or Chiefs fans that Joe not only NEEDS Chase but needs Higgins, too. They're built almost the opposite of the AFCs other good teams and will continue to be if they aren't selective.
Yes, they have the cash but as you said, will they? That's the major philisophical change that needs to happen.
Yes to your second point and it's why i keep saying they're trying to re-invent the wheel. It's almost a foregone conclusion that Tee will be re-signed. In a wierd, ironic twist of events, it's their penny-pinching that would allow them to sign both WRs and still put a team on the field to compete. Like i said before, they just need an average Oline and defense and they're competitive, but do they have the brains to find those players. the magic 8 ball isn't so sure right now.
I'd love for them to do things that have traditionally been sucessful for other NFL franchises, but they won't let me in the building to twist all of their stupid arms off. [Reply]
Also, Joe Burrow is gonna have to suck it up some. He's got Chase. Allen watched his team trade away Diggs. Mahomes watched Tyreek Hill go to Miami.
Of course, if you can keep the guy and make it make sense financially, you want to do it. At the same time, how bad does Burrow want to win more than just Pro Bowl appearances? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia:
Do you remember Shula over Cowher?
I've been here since 1978. I can tell you exactly where i was when that announcement came over the radio.
More importantly, do you remember Gary Reasons patting Shula on the head while Shula was trying to yell at him during a game against the Steelers on MNF? [Reply]
Update: The Bengals have had Orlando Brown Jr. for the last two seasons and the Bengals have missed the playoffs both of those seasons. https://t.co/tzXjNtarU0
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
To my previous post, it's one thing to tie up cap. If they were to sign Chase and Higgins to somewhat standard deals, they're looking at $20-25M, if that, for a cap hit in 2025. They will have plenty of cap space.
The problem for the Bengals ownership is that standard, back loaded deals almost always come with a bunch of up-front guarantees. They're looking at having to pay them way north of $100M just to sign. Do they have $250M in cash to actually do it? And if they do, will they want to spend that much in one off-season?
I'd be hard pressed to be a Bengals fan right now. Burrow is obviously one of the very best QBs in the game. His offense is loaded and it's exciting. The organizational dysfunction though is just astounding at times. They don't seem to be blazing the same trail that the guys on the field are. They don't seem to be making some of the bold moves that might be necessary. I mean let's face it, they have Burrow and Chase because they sucked bad enough to get those picks? What else have they really done?
I guess I just don't see much urgency from the Brown family.
Hey, don't pity me. I choose to support this team. :-)
All kidding aside, Mike Brown is only urgent about putting more nickels in the piggy bank. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Also, Joe Burrow is gonna have to suck it up some. He's got Chase. Allen watched his team trade away Diggs. Mahomes watched Tyreek Hill go to Miami.
Of course, if you can keep the guy and make it make sense financially, you want to do it. At the same time, how bad does Burrow want to win more than just Pro Bowl appearances?
Burrow has missed the playoffs three of his five NFL seasons… he’s done less with more.
