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Saulbadguy 07:57 AM 09-12-2011
The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.
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Pants 10:07 PM 09-20-2011
Having said that, this is absolutely my favorite scenario for KU by far. Add 3 Big East teams, make the exit fees so fucking high nobody will want to do it for a long time and lets roll.
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DeezNutz 10:09 PM 09-20-2011
No idea why any university would be worried about hearing some bullshit about being the institution that "blew up the Big 12" when anyone with a grain of common sense realizes that this conference is and will be hemorrhaging blood until the death blow comes in the near future.
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tk13 10:10 PM 09-20-2011
Pete Thamel is saying it came down to Texas. There wasn't even a legit conference call. Larry Scott had basically decided that there was no way they were going to appease Texas and keep everything equal... hence the "culture of equality" statement.
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|Zach| 10:10 PM 09-20-2011
Originally Posted by DeezNutz:
No idea why any university would be worried about hearing some bullshit about being the institution that "blew up the Big 12" when anyone with a grain of common sense realizes that this conference is and will be hemorrhaging blood until the death blow comes in the near future.

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KC_Connection 10:10 PM 09-20-2011
Originally Posted by tk13:
Anywhere else. If they truly feel everything is tilted against them and they'll never have a competitive advantage because Texas has their own network... it's better to get out now before you become the Blue Jays of the Big 12.
I like the analogy.
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|Zach| 10:11 PM 09-20-2011
Originally Posted by tk13:
Pete Thamel is saying it came down to Texas. There wasn't even a legit conference call. Larry Scott had basically decided that there was no way they were going to appease Texas and keep everything equal... hence the "culture of equality" statement.
That makes sense.
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Pants 10:11 PM 09-20-2011
Next time Dan Beebee and Oklahoma are in the same room:

So... That was awkward.
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|Zach| 10:12 PM 09-20-2011
Originally Posted by Pants:
Next time Dan Beebee and Oklahoma are in the same room:

So... That was awkward.
But here is the thing. It is all awkward...everyone...all of it.

I wouldn't...the whole thing.
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DeezNutz 10:12 PM 09-20-2011
Originally Posted by |Zach|:
Write. The. Check.

As you well know, there's insane money in Columbia and otherwise associated with the university. Bit of short-term pain for long-term gain.
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|Zach| 10:12 PM 09-20-2011
B12 expansion? L'ville, Cincy, WVU. Not perfect but available...and better than some horse shit smaller Texas schools.
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|Zach| 10:14 PM 09-20-2011
Originally Posted by DeezNutz:
Write. The. Check.

As you well know, there's insane money in Columbia and associated with the university. Bit of short-term pain for long-term gain.
Ok so I was coming from a different direction.

I don't mean the team leaving take heat for being a conference killer (in MU's case they wouldn't be a conference killer) but more so I don't think the conference taking in a number of teams wants to look they were the ones that flipped the switch,
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DeezNutz 10:16 PM 09-20-2011
Fair point, Zach.
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KC_Connection 10:17 PM 09-20-2011
Originally Posted by |Zach|:
B12 expansion? L'ville, Cincy, WVU. Not perfect but available...and better than some horse shit smaller Texas schools.
If it was those three, that would be great for basketball. Not so sure that the BE can't survive, though.
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Pitt Gorilla 10:19 PM 09-20-2011
Originally Posted by |Zach|:
B12 expansion? L'ville, Cincy, WVU. Not perfect but available...and better than some horse shit smaller Texas schools.
**** NO. GET THE **** OUT. I don't care if everyone is pissed, MU needs to leave yesterday.
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|Zach| 10:20 PM 09-20-2011
Unlikely idea but hey we are throwing out shit right? As many stupid crazy things as we have talked about we still haven't been close.

A&M, MU, OU, OSU ---> SEC at 16.

I don't mind an expanded B12 at face value but....there is no way to believe it is sustainable...even with good ideas.
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