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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Brandon Thorn graded the pressure quality of every player ranked in the top 10 in pressures.

https://trenchwarfare.substack.com/p...-short-grading

Spoiler!

Here is a quick explainer on the TPS and PQR from the linked article above:

While I have not found the time to chart every pressure in-season (I am still charting every sack), I did study the all 190 pressures from the current top 10 leaderboard per TruMedia through four games with the intent of getting an overview of which rushers are earning their pressures versus which are beneficiaries of fortunate circumstances.

Dammit Karl! :-)

So Furious George is ranked in the Top 10 in pressures and a Bronco is nary to be seen . . . . . .

That's what I'm taking from your post.

So, Congrats, I guess . . . . . . :-)
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Originally Posted by RunKC:
Nick Bosa-league leading 90 pressures in 2022
George Karlaftis-on pace for 85 pressures this season

Knowmo, is this good?

I guess it depends on what the pressure looks like. Thorn is saying that 15 of Karl’s 17 pressures were like the one shown in the second video.

Low-quality pressure from Bosa. pic.twitter.com/G9BU44zxV7
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) June 19, 2023

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Originally Posted by Mecca:
I think the Broncos are in the worst position in the entire league..

All of the other teams that suck have something, whether it is a huge amount of cap space, stockpile of picks, good young talent...up and coming coaching staff..

Denver has nothing, no money, no stockpile of picks, a wasteland of young talent and an old QB and HC that they traded picks for that make a buttload of money for their relative performance.

They have plenty of dead cap:

The move (cutting Gregory) will leave the team with $16.1 million in dead money this season and $6.3 million in dead money in 2024, according to Spotrac.com. The total hit of $22.4 million is the largest dead money cap hit for a defensive player in NFL history, according to Zach Segars of Let’s Talk Broncos.
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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
I guess it depends on what the pressure looks like. Thorn is saying that 15 of Karl’s 17 pressures were like the one shown in the second video.

Low-quality pressure from Bosa. pic.twitter.com/G9BU44zxV7
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) June 19, 2023

Which is absolutely horseshit because I've seen the guy get at least 5 legitimate pressures off the top of my head the last 2-3 weeks.

Also, I'm sure all "LQ" pressures are equal and they all look exactly like the worst one you could probably find.
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Examples of low-quality sacks:

This sack from Chubb is example one. Got home untouched for a sack. This would be graded as a low-quality (LQ) sack due to no special skill being on display and not beating a blocker. pic.twitter.com/yskCFSPj1Z
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) September 9, 2022

Both of Bryan’s sacks tonight have been low quality. Mariota runs into him here and his last one was a coverage sack. https://t.co/zSjZwe5bYZ
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) September 20, 2019

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

Russell Wilson QB ranks:
🔹6th - EPA/Play
🔹2nd - CPOE
🔹6th - Yards/Attempt
🔹2nd - Big Time Throws
🔹3rd - Passer Rating
🔹2nd - Pass TDs
🔹9th - Pass Yards
🔹6th - PFF Pass Grade
🔹2nd - PFF Pass Grade Under Pressure
🔹4th - Completion % Under Pressurepic.twitter.com/iEVXfrV4Mh
— Ben Cummins (@BenCumminsFF) October 5, 2023

:-)

Cool. Looks like you don't need a QB now.
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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Examples of low-quality sacks:

This sack from Chubb is example one. Got home untouched for a sack. This would be graded as a low-quality (LQ) sack due to no special skill being on display and not beating a blocker. pic.twitter.com/yskCFSPj1Z
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) September 9, 2022

Both of Bryan’s sacks tonight have been low quality. Mariota runs into him here and his last one was a coverage sack. https://t.co/zSjZwe5bYZ
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) September 20, 2019

I'm sure that every sack you're giving your edge rushers credit for when comparing them to Karlaftis are nothing like this.
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Originally Posted by staylor26:
Which is absolutely horseshit because I've seen the guy get at least 5 legitimate pressures off the top of my head the last 2-3 weeks.

Also, I'm sure all "LQ" pressures are equal and they all look exactly like the worst one you could probably find.

Knowmo has been using PFF scores to disparage Karlaftis for over a year and now that PFF praises Karlaftis he turns somewhere else to try to disparage him :-)
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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Examples of low-quality sacks:

This sack from Chubb is example one. Got home untouched for a sack. This would be graded as a low-quality (LQ) sack due to no special skill being on display and not beating a blocker. pic.twitter.com/yskCFSPj1Z
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) September 9, 2022

Both of Bryan’s sacks tonight have been low quality. Mariota runs into him here and his last one was a coverage sack. https://t.co/zSjZwe5bYZ
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) September 20, 2019

Interesting. Does the HOF break sacks down by low and high quality sacks when judging whether a player gets inducted? If so then this is a relevant stat. If not then it is a pointless one that someone made up because of too much time on their hands.
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Originally Posted by RunKC:
Knowmo has been using PFF scores to disparage Karlaftis for over a year and now that PFF praises Karlaftis he turns somewhere else to try to disparage him :-)

Yup. Completely full of shit.

And there's nothing disparaging about saying that he's not quite in that group, but again, the fact that he's even in the conversation as a 22 year old just 4 games into year 2 speaks volumes.

KnowMo would be sucking Karlaftis's dick endlessly if he were a Bronco.
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Originally Posted by tredadda:
Cool. Looks like you don't need a QB now.

Can you imagine if they had a chance to draft Williams or Maye and passed? That would just be the cherry on top. :-)
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Another low quality sack example

I believe it's a smart way to frame them because it adds context.

Quick example of a "low" vs. "high" quality sack from the same player: Yannick Ngakoue

Shows up on the stat-sheet the same, but they each say very different things about the rusher. https://t.co/78wnIApJNu pic.twitter.com/CoAiYFuJ0t
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) October 22, 2020

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Another low quality sack example

I believe it's a smart way to frame them because it adds context.

Quick example of a "low" vs. "high" quality sack from the same player: Yannick Ngakoue

Shows up on the stat-sheet the same, but they each say very different things about the rusher. https://t.co/78wnIApJNu pic.twitter.com/CoAiYFuJ0t
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) October 22, 2020

What his PFF grade KnowMo?

Can we get an update?
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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Examples of low-quality sacks:

This sack from Chubb is example one. Got home untouched for a sack. This would be graded as a low-quality (LQ) sack due to no special skill being on display and not beating a blocker. pic.twitter.com/yskCFSPj1Z
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) September 9, 2022

By this metric Bonitto's biggest play and sack was a low quality sack :-)

Jonathon Cooper : 5 tackles, sack, 2 QB hits & a 35-yard scoop and score
Nik Bonitto : 4 tackles, 2 for loss, career-high 2.5 sacks, 2 QB hits & a forced fumble pic.twitter.com/qKj0FUab9a
— Lee Harvey (@MusikFan4Life) October 1, 2023

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Originally Posted by RunKC:
By this metric Bonitto's biggest play and sack was a low quality sack :-)

Jonathon Cooper : 5 tackles, sack, 2 QB hits & a 35-yard scoop and score
Nik Bonitto : 4 tackles, 2 for loss, career-high 2.5 sacks, 2 QB hits & a forced fumble pic.twitter.com/qKj0FUab9a
— Lee Harvey (@MusikFan4Life) October 1, 2023

Oof. Knew it.

Originally Posted by staylor26:
I'm sure that every sack you're giving your edge rushers credit for when comparing them to Karlaftis are nothing like this.

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