I just feel like everyone is going to spend all week talking about Mahomes' ankle or Burrow being a Demigod or Chase against this young secondary or Lou Anarumo being a psychopath...and then in the end it's just going to Samaje Perine bludgeoning Bolton and Gay to death.
Was wondering when you’d pull that card. I never said that, of course. I said he’s not the most valuable player in the league. You act like that’s a huge insult. Like I said, you could make a much better case for OPOY.
If Blaine Gabbert came in for Mahomes and posted a better record and good stats, you know damn well you’d say it hurts his case for most valuable player. :-)
Especially if Mahomes were only beating scrubs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
It will be funny to see Bengal fans cheering for the Chiefs to win on Sunday. Now that is something you never expect to see.
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
I hope they beat Pitt and Miami loses. I hope our game is 10-9 Denver lead. Then Butker shanks the game winner as time expires.
Butker shank a game winner? Cmon, no chance he never does that.
That would be an intentional tank job if I were to ever see one Lol! [Reply]
Baker vs Burrow - very similar line with a better record. Baker's case for MVP in my opinion is stronger than Burrow's and I''m not suggesting either one should get it. Burrow's best win was the Broncos game and only one that MIGHT make the playoffs. Baker has 3 wins against current playoff teams including the LIONS!
Originally Posted by Bengal Billy:
as a life-long Cincy fan, I can unequivocally state that the team I hate most in the league is, and always will be, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Point.Blank.Period.
This how we are with the Broncos...and will never change no matter how many times Mahomes beats them. He is 13-1 so far....
You can root for Wentz...we were rooting for the Bunglers on Saturday. Your team really tried it's best to live up to that name... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
I think it should matter in terms of how much a player elevates their team above and beyond what's expected... not necessarily "what would the team do without him," but were they playing out of their mind.
I think the argument is definitely there for the Ravens still winning 10 or 11 games without Jackson last season or without his 3600 yards passing and 24 passing touchdowns. Hell, he probably has a better case this year given the defense sucks.
I'm kind of torn on Burrow this season, just from their terribly weak wins... yeah, maybe they only win 5 or 6 games without him, but damnit he really elevated his team to beat all those 4-win teams and the Broncos and are still in the playoff hunt.... :-)
Totally agree.
It's gotta be a mix of excellent play/stats while also elevating those around him to team success.
Burrow's stats are crazy good, but team success nope.
On the flip side, Mahomes' stats are not great, but him elevating play and resulting team success is off the charts (15-1).
Mahomes isn't even in the MVP convo this year with a 15-1 team. Why?
Burrow shouldn't be either, although he is killing it stats-wise [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bengal Billy:
"team that hates you the most in the league" ?
Can't speak for the "team", but as a life-long Cincy fan, I can unequivocally state that the team I hate most in the league is, and always will be, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Point.Blank.Period.
Yeah, I think that's how most fans operate... not so much about postseason rivalries or shorter term things, but the rivalries that span decades.
I've never really had hatred for teams that were just better than the Chiefs, so most of my life they just weren't good enough to have great rivalries. I'm not old enough for the true Chiefs/Raiders hatred of the 70s when players wanted to really, seriously, kill each other... and the Broncos just haven't been good at the same time as the Chiefs, outside of the mid-late 90s, which seems like a few lifetimes ago at this point.
Those teams certainly aren't neutral, but I've spent far more time laughing at them than hating them.... or in say the Broncos' Manning years, shrugging that they were just better.
I'd put the Bills at the top of the list of my teams to hate.... I'll always say, at least (for the most part) Bengals fans, the team, and apparently mayor earned bragging rights before they ended up taking it too far and paying dearly for it.
Bills fans have been flapping their gums since before the 2020 AFCCG and have absolutely nothing to show for it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Yeah, I think that's how most fans operate... not so much about postseason rivalries or shorter term things, but the rivalries that span decades.
I've never really had hatred for teams that were just better than the Chiefs, so most of my life they just weren't good enough to have great rivalries. I'm not old enough for the true Chiefs/Raiders hatred of the 70s when players wanted to really, seriously, kill each other... and the Broncos just haven't been good at the same time as the Chiefs, outside of the mid-late 90s, which seems like a few lifetimes ago at this point.
Those teams certainly aren't neutral, but I've spent far more time laughing at them than hating them.... or in say the Broncos' Manning years, shrugging that they were just better.
I'd put the Bills at the top of the list of my teams to hate.... I'll always say, at least (for the most part) Bengals fans, the team, and apparently mayor earned bragging rights before they ended up taking it too far and paying dearly for it.
Bills fans have been flapping their gums since before the 2020 AFCCG and have absolutely nothing to show for it.
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
This how we are with the Broncos...and will never change no matter how many times Mahomes beats them. He is 13-1 so far....
You can root for Wentz...we were rooting for the Bunglers on Saturday. Your team really tried it's best to live up to that name...
Win or Lose, Bungals games typically are fun to watch there's a lot of action. Usually a lot of scoring, boneheaded miscues left and right, doinks and missed FGs, close games , etc.
Wouldn't have been a good game the other night without the Bungles showing up for some antics:
4th and 1 give up a prayer TD with 8sec left,,
Cade York's doink hahahaha
Originally Posted by warpaint*:
What would the Eagles be without Saquon? Still a contender. They were in the sb two years ago.
My vote is Allen he’s had a great yr. What would the Bills be without Josh? An also ran watching the Dolphins win a tallest midget contest.
I’d consider Burrow if their record was better and frankly might change my mind if they weasel into the playoffs - yes that’s partially out of his control but team success factors into it for me.
Personally, I think plenty of QBs could have solid success behind Allen's OL, with that running game and coordinator, and their schedule this year. But he's obviously had a good season. [Reply]
