I just feel like everyone is going to spend all week talking about Mahomes' ankle or Burrow being a Demigod or Chase against this young secondary or Lou Anarumo being a psychopath...and then in the end it's just going to Samaje Perine bludgeoning Bolton and Gay to death.
Originally Posted by ThrobProng:
Most of the alleged advantages the 2018 Chiefs had was because of Mahomes. If you don't believe me, watch some Alex Smith era Chiefs games. Conversely, some of Cincy's weaknesses are a direct result of Burrow's contract.
Again, this is comparing first-year Mahomes to peak Burrow, who will never be better than he is right now.
The only people comparing are Chiefs fans. I'm not comparing Burrow to Mahomes, just saying that he's had an MVP worthy season with absolute shit around him. Chiefs fans keep bringing up 2018.
Also, you don't know if Burrow has peaked. You certainly hope he has but i doubt it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chieftain:
How does the midget gay guy penetrate his partner without the assistance of limbs? Does his partner swing his rear end like a saddle to enable the penetration? Limbs are very important in creating motion of movement throughout the body. Or are you insinuating it was only gay midget amputee oral porn?
The other gay guy does reverse cowgirl on the gay nugget guy
Also Burrow shouldn't be in the MVP conversation this year despite his stats because he lost to the Chiefs and his turnover contributed directly to it. Allen beat the Chiefs. The MVP shouldn't be just which QB had the best stats this year otherwise you have to put Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold in the conversation. I'm not saying that MVP should be "did you beat the chiefs" award but you can't beat up the shit teams and then lose to the good teams and the Patriots and be the MVP. Joe's having a great year yes and I think he's an elite QB (he's better than Lamar IMO) but he shouldn't be MVP this year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
There’s no better way this season could have ended. A shot at knocking out your division rivals while you rest your starters for the playoffs and the team that hates you the most in the league has to root for you because their destiny is completely in your hands. It’s so ****ing great being a Chiefs fan. Get in here little kitties and cheer for your overlords.
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
The only people comparing are Chiefs fans. I'm not comparing Burrow to Mahomes, just saying that he's had an MVP worthy season with absolute shit around him. Chiefs fans keep bringing up 2018.
MVPs don't come from mediocre teams unless they're doing something like breaking all-time records. Notice how the talent level around Burrow dropped after he got his bag.
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
Also, you don't know if Burrow has peaked. You certainly hope he has but i doubt it.
He's either going to lose some elite weapons, or they'll get paid and further cannibalize the defense. Plus he's already suffered multiple major injuries. [Reply]
Are we switching to pictures from Super Bowl victories? I can’t find anything for Burrow. This was all that came up when I typed in Burrow and Super Bowl together in the same search.
Originally Posted by ThrobProng:
MVPs don't come from mediocre teams unless they're doing something like breaking all-time records. Notice how the talent level around Burrow dropped after he got his bag.
He's either going to lose some elite weapons, or they'll get paid and further cannibalize the defense. Plus he's already suffered multiple major injuries.
The key is keeping Chase. Higgens is gone, but he has been hurt and I think can be replaced. Chase is the one Dee's have to double and makes it easier to read the defenses. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
Playoffs or not should matter. Overall record, no.
Not comparing types of records, just saying that he's passed for 250+ and 3+tds for 8 consecutive games. That's 2 more than any other QB in history. Speaks to consistency.
Josh has passed for <200 yds 3 of his last 5 games and has thrown for 3TDs once in those 5. If you add in his rushing, he still falls short of 200 total yds but at least he has 3 total TDs in a couple of them. Does that spell MVP to you?
Lahhhmurrr has thrown for <200 in 2 of his last 5 and has thrown 3+ TDs twice in that time. If you add rushing to his 2 subs, at least he hits 200 total yards once and it gives him 3 total TDs in both games.
Both pale in comparison to what Joe has done his last 5.
'Total body of work' argument? Sure, but you and i both know that the MVP races ebbs and flows with 'what have you done for me lately', all year long.
Saquon is worthy though and i wouldn't be upset if he won it.
I don’t disagree with anything you said here and while overall record should not matter when selecting MVP, it does matter to voters. This is especially true for QBs. Look at last year.
Lamar won MVP not because he had the best numbers, but instead because he had a couple of great games against good teams. Plus he was the QB of what was the best regular season team.
Josh Allen arguably deserved it last year, but because of how his team performed in the regular season he didn’t get it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
Are we switching to pictures from Super Bowl victories? I can’t find anything for Burrow. This was all that came up when I typed in Burrow and Super Bowl together in the same search.
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
Playoffs or not should matter. Overall record, no.
Not comparing types of records, just saying that he's passed for 250+ and 3+tds for 8 consecutive games. That's 2 more than any other QB in history. Speaks to consistency.
Josh has passed for <200 yds 3 of his last 5 games and has thrown for 3TDs once in those 5. If you add in his rushing, he still falls short of 200 total yds but at least he has 3 total TDs in a couple of them. Does that spell MVP to you?
Lahhhmurrr has thrown for <200 in 2 of his last 5 and has thrown 3+ TDs twice in that time. If you add rushing to his 2 subs, at least he hits 200 total yards once and it gives him 3 total TDs in both games.
Both pale in comparison to what Joe has done his last 5.
'Total body of work' argument? Sure, but you and i both know that the MVP races ebbs and flows with 'what have you done for me lately', all year long.
Saquon is worthy though and i wouldn't be upset if he won it.
I don't get a say in the MVP but I think it should be 3ish things:
1) overall stats - are you top 5 minimum in your position?
2) how did your team do - are you at minimum a 3 seed
3) vibe check - did you look good when it mattered or did you pad stats against bad teams
Burrow gets 1 and 3 (less 3 than 1 though)
Mahomes gets 2 and 3
etc etc
Allen I think meets all 3. Saquon meets all 3.
Honestly though if I had a vote mine would be for Saquon since it shouldn't just be a QB award and he's going to have an historic or near historic year [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Well, you ranked Lamar behind "50 ft of crap." Seems slightly insulting. Lamar's been excellent in every way this year. Have you actually watched him or are you just repeating the same nonsense people have said for years? Btw, Burrow needed 164 more passing attempts to throw a couple more TDs. With superior receivers.
There's a reason that QBs tend to have their best statistical years when they have poor defenses. It's good for stat-padding.
Browning had a winning record last year. Burrow was .500 last season and this season. There really isn't a good argument for Burrow being the most valuable player in the NFL. MVP isn't an award for best stats. He'd have a better case for OPOY.
Again, can you see Jake Browning stepping into Mahomes' shoes this year and matching his record or production? Or Lamar's?
Agreed regarding Lamar. I get not liking him, but to deny what he’s done this year because of that is silly. He is putting up amazing numbers and that can’t be argued.
Also you are right about QBs best seasons statistically. It’s no surprise that Mahomes best season statistically happened in 2018 when the defense was beyond awful (who could forget the 54-51 loss to the Rams). [Reply]
