The mighty Bills from Buffalo will take the AFC this year.
For two decades I watched people say the Patriots window was closed, that their time was dwindling, that it was all over… seemingly every time those predictions happened, the Patriots went and won another Super Bowl.
A lot of doom talk simply because we lost to the Bengals in the playoffs. Let us not forget that the Bills watched their brother DIE on the field just a few weeks prior. Their heart was simply not in it. If it had been, the Bills would have captured the AFC last year.
The Bills have won 2 of their last 3 in Arrowhead and they’re ready to make it 3 of the last 4.
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
So I’ve consumed some Bills content this past week and, as you would expect, there’s starting to be a lot of acceptance and sayings like “this was a retool year anyways, we’re only getting better…” very similar to what we were saying after the Chiefs WON Super Bowl 57.
And I totally understand why you tell yourself that as a long-suffering Bills fan, but I do question its legitimacy.
That Chiefs team had one of the greatest draft classes in our franchise history. And 2021 was an excellent class on top of it too.
The Bills recent drafts…. Meh. I mean, the post game conversation centered on how poorly their top picks of the last three years performed in this very game (Elam, Kincaid, Coleman).
They’re still contenders as long as Josh is there. But I don’t think it’s some lock that they get better next year. It was a 13-3 team for crying out loud.
Their cap is tight, they blew a third for Cooper.
The next 2 years are going to be similar. Assuming Cincy’s d isn’t a dumpster fire you’d have to put them above Buffalo. Same with Baltimore. Probably with Houston too.
I do think Allen eventually breaks through and wins one but it won’t be in the foreseeable future. Going to be a long road for them [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
The Chiefs dropped two interceptions right in their hands on the first drive.
Breaks go both ways. Surprised if their fans are still in that much denial after a full week. The grieving process shouldn’t take this long.
I think they were so sure they were going to win this time. And accusing the refs/chiefs of cheating them out of their certain win is the easiest way of coping right now. [Reply]
I think what gets lost in these discussions is outside of very few QBs, winning one Super Bowl is, you know, fucking hard.
Montana had two at 28.
Favre won his at 27.
Peyton won his first at 30, Eli at 27.
Rodgers was 27.
It takes years and luck, and Allen is just one of those QBs who needs more to fall into place than Mahomes... he needs his kicker to hit a 50 yard FG because he couldn't keep a drive going. He needs his TE to make a super awkward catch because he didn't pick up on the blitz pre-snap.
Even Mahomes sometimes has to settle for the FG with 3.5 minutes left, yet it's the rare case.
Thus, Allen only really suffers from not being Mahomes... Bills fans have tried so hard to convince themselves they're the same or Allen is even better...well, start winning AFCCGs on one ankle with Skyy and Kadarius instead of blaming everyone else... that's what Mahomes would do. :-)
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
I think what gets lost in these discussions is outside of very few QBs, winning one Super Bowl is, you know, ****ing hard.
Montana had two at 28.
Favre won his at 27.
Peyton won his first at 30, Eli at 27.
Rodgers was 27.
It takes years and luck, and Allen is just one of those QBs who needs more to fall into place than Mahomes... he needs his kicker to hit a 50 yard FG because he couldn't keep a drive going. He needs his TE to make a super awkward catch because he didn't pick up on the blitz pre-snap.
Even Mahomes sometimes has to settle for the FG with 3.5 minutes left, yet it's the rare case.
Thus, Allen only really suffers from not being Mahomes... Bills fans have tried so hard to convince themselves they're the same or Allen is even better...well, start winning AFCCGs on one ankle with Skyy and Kadarius instead of blaming everyone else... that's what Mahomes would do. :-)
The bills arent really a good team around Allen. Their defense sucks and their receiving weapons are pretty mediocre. He doesn’t have a great coaching staff.
Without Allen they’re picking top 10. Hes got a real uphill battle to win the SB [Reply]
Originally Posted by New World Order:
The bills arent really a good team around Allen. Their defense sucks and their receiving weapons are pretty mediocre. He doesn’t have a great coaching staff.
Without Allen they’re picking top 10. Hes got a real uphill battle to win the SB
Someone posted in yesterday, but Buffalo’s defense in the playoffs has actually been really good on an EPA basis in every playoff game EXCEPT the four Chiefs games and the single game vs. Burrow.
Originally Posted by New World Order:
The bills arent really a good team around Allen. Their defense sucks and their receiving weapons are pretty mediocre. He doesn’t have a great coaching staff.
Without Allen they’re picking top 10. Hes got a real uphill battle to win the SB
Yeah, and it's a tough comparison because Mahomes is Mahomes AND he has Andy Reid, had Tyreek a few years, always has postseason Kelce to rely on, had an elite defense last season and a pretty damn good one this season.
Yet, almost every single time Mahomes is putting his guys in a spot to make the crucial play if he isn't doing it himself... he isn't throwing some hero ball that falls 10 yards short of the receiver on a crucial 3rd down or some lame duck on a 4th and 5 with the season on the line.
He ran a damn marathon behind the LoS against the Bucs and still threw dimes that multiple times went off helmets or through the hands of his receivers.
For all the Bills' shortcomings in terms of roster and coaching, only :13 really hits that bar of everything around Allen failing.... he's not exactly getting Mark Andrews'd out of games (and I get the irony of saying that). [Reply]
Originally Posted by penchief:
Man, Two Bills Drive is losing their minds. Totally delusional and getting crazier with every passing day. I usually enjoy visiting that site because the majority of the posters are level headed and knowledgeable.
But they are going full on QAnon. They’re saying this game will go down in infamy. Falling further down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole with every social media outrage video they post. I quit that social media crap because it’s a cesspool. Now it’s poisoning sports discussions, too.
In their eyes the chiefs deserve no credit for their run of brilliance. They think the Bills actually played better and would have won that game if it wasn’t for that fourth and one call. No credit to the chiefs for actually having an answer for that ridiculous rugby play.
Truth is, if it hadn’t been for the ball bouncing their way on nearly every potential turnover and a remarkable effort by Cook to overcome a great play by Bolton on 4th and goal, that game wouldn’t have been close.
I've been a secondary Bills fan since Thurman Thomas was drafted in 1988 (the year before I graduated high school in OK). I started reading the Bills' board many, many years ago, though I'm not registered to post. I agree they have knowledgeable fans. But some are so beat down psychologically it is messing with their heads. There were many, many posts beforehand stating that if the Bills were to lose it would be because the refs screwed them and -- guess what -- those same people are now adamant the refs screwed them.
It appears the more sane posters have begun to push back a bit, but a 30+ page topic on getting robbed by the refs remains popular. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Yeah, football is weird given small sample sizes.
Jackson shit down his leg so much in the first half, they went almost completely away from him in the second half and mostly ran the ball, before the last drive.
Allen came back from 11 and again by a touchdown, keeping them in the game until the last few minutes before ****ing it up.
I'd take Allen 10 times out of 10 though... he had :13 won and if that happened, would have 3 AFCCGs under his belt and has played Mahomes down to the wire 3 times in the playoffs.
Jackson hasn't even proven he can be competitive against Mahomes when it matters, mostly because he's only gotten that far once and it took a 49ers roster champs effort to even do that.
Josh Allen was lucky to avoid 5+ turnovers last weekend. Similar deal in the Playoff game a year ago too. He kept getting away with a bunch of shit in both of those games. Lamar, not so lucky with his mistakes.
Hell, the Chiefs had 2 actual turnovers on only 2 turnover worthy plays in those 2 Playoff games against Buffalo. Lost 10-14 points on those turnovers. Meanwhile Buffalo somehow got away with at least 12 turnover worthy plays in these 2 Playoff games against the Chiefs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
I think what gets lost in these discussions is outside of very few QBs, winning one Super Bowl is, you know, ****ing hard.
Montana had two at 28.
Favre won his at 27.
Peyton won his first at 30, Eli at 27.
Rodgers was 27.
It takes years and luck, and Allen is just one of those QBs who needs more to fall into place than Mahomes... he needs his kicker to hit a 50 yard FG because he couldn't keep a drive going. He needs his TE to make a super awkward catch because he didn't pick up on the blitz pre-snap.
Even Mahomes sometimes has to settle for the FG with 3.5 minutes left, yet it's the rare case.
Thus, Allen only really suffers from not being Mahomes... Bills fans have tried so hard to convince themselves they're the same or Allen is even better...well, start winning AFCCGs on one ankle with Skyy and Kadarius instead of blaming everyone else... that's what Mahomes would do. :-)
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
The Chiefs dropped two interceptions right in their hands on the first drive.
Breaks go both ways. Surprised if their fans are still in that much denial after a full week. The grieving process shouldn’t take this long.
There were 5 fumbles in the game and Buffalo recovered ALL of them, including one from the Chiefs. Less than a 5% chance of winning 5 straight coin flips, but somehow Buffalo had major luck on their side with the fumbles. I counted at least 3-4 interception quality throws from Josh Allen as well. VERY fortunate to have 0 turnovers in that game. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
There were 5 fumbles in the game and Buffalo recovered ALL of them, including one from the Chiefs. Less than a 5% chance of winning 5 straight coin flips, but somehow Buffalo had major luck on their side with the fumbles. I counted at least 3-4 interception quality throws from Josh Allen as well. VERY fortunate to have 0 turnovers in that game.
All year.
It happened all year.
Buffalo had a favorable result of 30 of 36 plays, including the AFCCG.
