Originally Posted by BossChief:
At this point, having Hunt 100% healthy for the playoffs should be the teams #1 priority.
This is a super bowl team with him in the equation.
Probably not without him.
Anyone else got the feeling this is going to be a special year?
One game at a time. But I sense that the AFC old guard of Brady and Ben will be supplanted soon. We seem to have the type of team that will be knocking on the door for the next decade or so and once or maybe a couple of times the stars will align. [Reply]
Originally Posted by gold_and_red:
One game at a time. But I sense that the AFC old guard of Brady and Ben will be supplanted soon. We seem to have the type of team that will be knocking on the door for the next decade or so and once or maybe a couple of times the stars will align.
Originally Posted by gold_and_red:
One game at a time. But I sense that the AFC old guard of Brady and Ben will be supplanted soon. We seem to have the type of team that will be knocking on the door for the next decade or so and once or maybe a couple of times the stars will align.
Brady is over this season if he last that long. No way Bill plays a 41 year old QB with his younger future guy just sitting their making 20 mil. Ben almost retired and lately looks like he should have. [Reply]
Originally Posted by CupidStunt:
It's week 4. The #1 priority is ****ing winning games, dude.
This.
I don't get what people mean by 'keeping him healthy' the guy is averaging 16 carries a game. What are we supposed to give him the ball 10-times a game?
Give the guy the ball as much as possible (within reason). He's a great player and a rookie. He is still learning believe it or not. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?
Who's saying to cut him down to 12 carries? At most, the majority of folks are saying that Reid is working him about right. Some folks are being stupid and saying he should carry 20-25 times/gm, which is a really good way to ensure your RB absolutely sucks going forward.
BC said he shouldn't be getting that many carries - he's right. There has been exactly 1 RB that's remained effective after getting 25 carries/gm. Moreover, there have been very very few that have had much of a career after getting better than 350 touches - period.
Being a ballcarrier is damn tough work and extremely hard on a body. It's worse still when you run like Hunt does. If Reid can keep Hunt in the 15-20 touches/gm range he'd greatly increase the likelihood that Hunt is healthy come the post-season and greatly increase his long term value to the franchise.
I don't even see this as being particularly worth arguing.
If you find yourself siding with penbrook, you're almost certainly wrong.
Touches and carries aren't the same.
20 - 25 total touches is not out of line. AT all.
You think his totals are about right?
Okay. He's averaging about 19 touches per game, and you think 1-6 more touches per game is a big deal?
Whatever man. I'm guessing you're more of a 'split backfield' type of guy. I'm not. I like having a starting RB.
Christ, JC ended up hurt and we did this 'conserve him so he doesn't break down" shit with him. Ride the horse until he's ready to be put down.
As for Penbrook... I don't determine my opinion based on who says what. A broken clock can be right twice a day, and I've never supported the 'save your RB until tomorrow' mentality espoused by so many on this forum. Does Priest Holmes last 7 seasons instead of 3 if we work him less? No, probably not. Productive RB's don't have a long shelf life. The LT's and AP's are a rare breed. Not using them won't increase it. It just wastes them when they're good. [Reply]
I don't get what people mean by 'keeping him healthy' the guy is averaging 16 carries a game. What are we supposed to give him the ball 10-times a game?
Give the guy the ball as much as possible (within reason). He's a great player and a rookie. He is still learning believe it or not.
He takes 4-5 hits a carry, you can't look at the raw numbers with him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
Touches and carries aren't the same.
20 - 25 total touches is not out of line. AT all.
You think his totals are about right?
Okay. He's averaging about 19 touches per game, and you think 1-6 more touches per game is a big deal?
Whatever man. I'm guessing you're more of a 'split backfield' type of guy. I'm not. I like having a starting RB.
The carries v. touches distinction has been lessened significantly since the rise of the short passing game. A halfback is far more likely to get 5-6 catches that are 'passes' in name only these days. They're effectively runs.
25 touches/gm is absolutely too many. And 20/gm is too many for a rookie RB that you hope is still running effectively in the post-season, especially with his style of play.
Hitting that mark on occasion isn't a problem, but if you're averaging that many touches a game, the guy's going to be beat to shit and gassed by the end of the year.
"oh well it's just 6 more touches/gm" is crazy - that's a full 33% more contact. It's nearly 100 more times he gets hit over the course of a year. Yes, there's a massive difference between 18/19 touches and 24/25. [Reply]
I don't get what people mean by 'keeping him healthy' the guy is averaging 16 carries a game. What are we supposed to give him the ball 10-times a game?
Give the guy the ball as much as possible (within reason). He's a great player and a rookie. He is still learning believe it or not.
Who is arguing to give him the ball less? Some of you insist on constructing a straw man here.
Again - folks are responding to the 'feed Hunt the rock' crowd by saying that Reid is actually doing it perfectly right now. He's getting about the right amount of touches. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The carries v. touches distinction has been lessened significantly since the rise of the short passing game. A halfback is far more likely to get 5-6 catches that are 'passes' in name only these days. They're effectively runs.
25 touches/gm is absolutely too many. And 20/gm is too many for a rookie RB that you hope is still running effectively in the post-season, especially with his style of play.
Hitting that mark on occasion isn't a problem, but if you're averaging that many touches a game, the guy's going to be beat to shit and gassed by the end of the year.
"oh well it's just 6 more touches/gm" is crazy - that's a full 33% more contact. It's nearly 100 more times he gets hit over the course of a year. Yes, there's a massive difference between 18/19 touches and 24/25.
So 320 total touches is too much and you want to keep it under 300?
Okay. Whatever you say. :-) I'm okay with a starting RB getting the load of a starting RB. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pestilence:
Dude....you won't be ok with it when we get into the playoffs and Hunt is dinged up and isn't 100% effective.
That could happen otherwise. The only way to ensure that won't happen is to start Charcandrick West.
He's not going to be 100% by the playoffs otherwise. Everyone is dinged up after 16 weeks of football, including opposing defenses.
Why not apply that same logic to every important player? Let's not have Kelce in on those blocking plays. He could get tangled up and hurt his knee! [Reply]
