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A search and rescue operation is currently underway to locate a submarine that went missing during an expedition to the Titanic.
The U.S. Coast Guard was looking for the submarine Monday morning after it disappeared during the expedition from St. John's, N.L. The infamous 1912 wreck is located more than 600 kilometres southeast of the province in the North Atlantic Ocean.
The trip to the Titanic was being run by OceanGate Expeditions, a U.S.-based company. It uses a five-person submersible named Titan to reach the wreckage 3,800 metres below the surface. OceanGate's website advertises a seven-night voyage to the Titanic for US$250,000 per person, or approximately CA$330,000.
"We are exploring and mobilizing all options to bring the crew back safely," an OceanGate spokesperson said in an email to CTV News. "Our entire focus is on the crewmembers in the submersible and their families."
Those tours are a series of five eight-day missions to the Titanic with the money raised by tourists going towards Titanic research. Posts on social media show the ship launched from the St. John's area last week.
Did they really have 5 people in this?? Or do they have a larger version??
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I don't disagree - but innovation does require tip-toeing right up to the edge of that line and you don't typically know you're beyond it until shit goes sideways on you.
I kinda look at it this way - have you ever seen a replica of the Nina or Pinta? Those things wouldn't stand out at the Lake of the Ozarks. They were like 60 ft long. And we knew about fuck-all about how the Atlantic ocean at the time. If you ever see one in person, you'll be floored by how rinky dink they look.
And it took a lunatic to get on one of 'em. But it worked.
SpaceX has gotten where they are today by trying a fuck ton of stuff, being OK with blowing things up, and learning from the experience.
They just don't put humans on their beta test articles. [Reply]
If losing contact with your submarine for extended periods of time is part of the standard operating procedure, you might need to make some adjustments. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
They waited eight hours because that was the outside turnaround time for the trip. Evidently they lost contact with this thing a lot so they didn’t report they were missing until they were overdue.
That is some piss poor SOP.
Clock should start the second there is a missed check-in. It is the responsibility of the captain to abort and resurface if they cannot communicate with the surface.
They were 2 hours into a dive meaning they should have called into the Coast Guard no more than 3 hours after the missed check-in. Hindsight being what it is... it wouldn't have made a bit of difference though if the sub did indeed get crushed like a can of beer on some frat pledge's forehead. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Oh shit - "At depths of over 10,000 feet and covering 70% of the ocean floor, abyssal plains are the largest habitat on earth..."
And evidently the ocean has an average depth of 2.3 miles. It's only continental shelves that are within that 1,000 ft range.
So the vast majority of the ocean floor is about as deep as the Titanic is...
So maybe ocean exploration ain't that handy afterall...
We’ve only seen roughly 20% of the ocean floor. There’s so much out there.
This event is a lesson to not have humans go down that far. We should definitely be able to have underwater drones/pods map that out and search the vast landscape of the oceans floor.
Hope they do that while I’m alive. There’s so much we can learn. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
What’s the chance they killed the CEO after the first 24 hours? There’s no way I’m not taking him out first if I’m stuck in that thing.
I doubt it came to that, sounds like they probably imploded on the descent and no one saw it coming [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
SpaceX has gotten where they are today by trying a fuck ton of stuff, being OK with blowing things up, and learning from the experience.
They just don't put humans on their beta test articles.
It seems like every time I watch a SpaceX thing it ends with something blowing up and then cuts to a room with hundreds of engineers who are…happy and cheering at the success because they were testing one tiny piece of functionality or something. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
We’ve only seen roughly 20% of the ocean floor. There’s so much out there.
This event is a lesson to not have humans go down that far. We should definitely be able to have underwater drones/pods map that out and search the vast landscape of the oceans floor.
Hope they do that while I’m alive. There’s so much we can learn.
Originally Posted by DaFace:
SpaceX has gotten where they are today by trying a fuck ton of stuff, being OK with blowing things up, and learning from the experience.
They just don't put humans on their beta test articles.
Rams fan correctly pointed out the difference between how Musk/Space X and these guys operated.
And again - I don't disagree completely. There's a smart and calculated way to do these sorts of things as safely as possible.
My point is that it isn't ALWAYS the way this shit gets done. Sometimes a crazy guy just says "YOLO - SEND IT!" and it works.
More often they die.
But I can respect the spirit of those guys either way. This isn't anything new - humanity has been killing itself testing boundaries since time immemorial. Only now do some folks seem to get off on it when it happens. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I don't disagree - but innovation does require tip-toeing right up to the edge of that line and you don't typically know you're beyond it until shit goes sideways on you.
I kinda look at it this way - have you ever seen a replica of the Nina or Pinta? Those things wouldn't stand out at the Lake of the Ozarks. They were like 60 ft long. And we knew about ****-all about how the Atlantic ocean at the time. If you ever see one in person, you'll be floored by how rinky dink they look.
And it took a lunatic to get on one of 'em. But it worked.
I get where you're coming from and basically everything until the Industrial Revolution is pretty incredible to comprehend with regards to how things were built and tested, but Columbus pushed the Niña to its limits while it was already deemed "safe" to use (just not for the length of water it traversed).
The Titan was never deemed safe at all for any depth.
Originally Posted by DaFace:
SpaceX has gotten where they are today by trying a **** ton of stuff, being OK with blowing things up, and learning from the experience.
They just don't put humans on their beta test articles.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I don't disagree - but innovation does require tip-toeing right up to the edge of that line and you don't typically know you're beyond it until shit goes sideways on you.
I kinda look at it this way - have you ever seen a replica of the Nina or Pinta? Those things wouldn't stand out at the Lake of the Ozarks. They were like 60 ft long. And we knew about fuck-all about how the Atlantic ocean at the time. If you ever see one in person, you'll be floored by how rinky dink they look.
And it took a lunatic to get on one of 'em. But it worked.
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
It seems like every time I watch a SpaceX thing it ends with something blowing up and then cuts to a room with hundreds of engineers who are…happy and cheering at the success because they were testing one tiny piece of functionality or something.
There hasn't been a Falcon 9 RUD since 2021. Probably 100 flights since then. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Damn, didn't expect that.
I don't recall where I saw the replica - I'm wanting to say it was in Bermuda. But my jaw just dropped. It was in the middle of a pavilion area and it was just some tiny shitty wooden ship. My first thought was 'scale model' then I looked it up and confirmed that the think was like 56 feet long.
Explorers are crazy. Magellan went around the world on a ship that was MAYBE 70 ft long and records are that it could've been nearer to the 55-60 ft of the Nina/Pinta.
Again - the world's always had guys who are willing to risk it all. When it works they're celebrated. I don't really think they should be mocked when it doesn't. [Reply]
The US military military sonar pickets may well have picked it up, but they might be reticent to say since it would reveal the sensitivity of their systems?
Additionally, if it happened at depth the noise would get trapped under a thermocline layer, so would reveal depths
The Navy picked it up. It hasn't been disclosed because those systems are classified. This has unofficially been a recovery mission to find debris to prove implosion to give peace to the families.
May have hit the thermocline and bounced. In that case one of the few systems set up to detect below the layer is SOSUS or a submarine at depth. That type of information isn’t easily released to the public. Look at the USS Thresher, was decades until it was confirmed SOSUS heard.
Originally Posted by RunKC:
This all goes to show that space is cool but we really need to start investing the private funds for learning more about the ocean.
That’s a whole new world down there and I imagine there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of creatures we simply have no seen yet. I get we have some military equipment there as well as some geological stuff, but it’s crazy down there.
I’m not sure it’d be worth it. When you start going that deep, they’re really are very little organisms. The vast majority of the ocean is just dead zones; there isn’t shit there. If you’re interested in discovering new species, I think we’d be better served slowing down deforestation. We’re wiping out hundreds of undiscovered terrestrial species every day.
Most realistic, and profitable, outcome is discovering fossil fuels or precious metal deposits on the seabed.
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
I feel new History Channel series coming on.
The Curse of the Atlantic Sea Floor
I’m from the future. We’re on episode 8 of season 4 now. It’s really getting good. I think they’re about to find the treasure!
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I don't disagree - but innovation does require tip-toeing right up to the edge of that line and you don't typically know you're beyond it until shit goes sideways on you.
I kinda look at it this way - have you ever seen a replica of the Nina or Pinta? Those things wouldn't stand out at the Lake of the Ozarks. They were like 60 ft long. And we knew about fuck-all about how the Atlantic ocean at the time. If you ever see one in person, you'll be floored by how rinky dink they look.
And it took a lunatic to get on one of 'em. But it worked.
Yep, and all of those crazy fuckers who colonized the Polynesian. Those people hopped on what amounts to dinghies and rowboats and sailed for thousands of miles into the Pacific.
The CEO of this company is an arrogant douche but I respect the drive certain types of people have. If everyone had my temperament, we would never leave this planet of explore deeper than about 20 feet below the ocean’s surface. [Reply]
