Originally Posted by loochy:
Might as well have Obi Wan come and save the harfoots from the Klingons
I get it, but like others have said the story has all but painted the stranger as him. He uses Gandalf lines, is clad in grey, is unfazed by fire, and has bonded with the Harfoots (the ancestors of Hobbits). I feel they did it because they are trying to appeal to a larger audience than fanboys. As such Gandalf is easily recognizable as a name to the non educated. I think deviating from Gandalf might be harder than just including him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
I'm looking forward to seeing how Sauron goes from Numenorian prisoner to Ar Pharazon's most trusted advisor and how he convinces most of Numenor to worship Melkor. Like WTF man?
omg
this show is going to be better than i thought
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As time passed, it came to his attention that Sauron, the Lord of Mordor, was expanding his power throughout Middle-earth and was being called the Lord of Men. Ar-Pharazôn, ever prideful, resolved to challenge him lordship of the earth.
In SA 3261, he marched upon Mordor with an army so powerful that Sauron's forces simply deserted him. But Sauron was cunning, and he feigned to be overawed at Ar-Pharazôn's might. The king did not trust Sauron, and brought him back to Númenor as a hostage.
However, Sauron quickly took advantage of his situation to gain Ar-Pharazôn's trust, and by way of careful flattery, lies and half-truths, he soon became the king's closest and most trusted advisor. He was able to corrupt Ar-Pharazôn, convincing him to worship Morgoth in the hope that he would be able to cheat mortality.
Some of the results of Sauron's cunning were the erecting of a Great Temple to Morgoth, intense persecution of the Faithful, and the chopping down of the White Tree of Númenor. Soon the king and his followers were worshiping Morgoth openly and burning innocents at the altar of the temple as sacrificial offerings to appease the false god.
It’s definitely Gandalf. In addition to the verbatim dialogue they show the moths when he destroys those beings. Gandalf has a thing for moths. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
It’s definitely Gandalf. In addition to the verbatim dialogue they show the moths when he destroys those beings. Gandalf has a thing for moths.
The moths which he completely individually murdered in the process? Yeah.... [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
It’s definitely Gandalf. In addition to the verbatim dialogue they show the moths when he destroys those beings. Gandalf has a thing for moths.
Every indication on the show has been that it's Gandalf, yeah. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
are you a bug lover? :-)
Bug lover? I'm talking about them making a very obvious point about The Stranger drawing life from different plants/animals resulting in their death. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Graystoke:
The Stranger is a Blue Wizard. I highly doubt they are going to complicate the story by inserting Gandalf where he doesn’t belong.
See, that's what I was thinking. It all lines up to be one of the Blue Wizards, with the timing and the need to go to Rhun. It fits just right. Also, the Blue Wizards have almost no written history, so the story can go absolutely anywhere with them. It opens a lot of possibilities story wise.
I guess we have to wait about a year to find out. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
See, that's what I was thinking. It all lines up to be one of the Blue Wizards, with the timing and the need to go to Rhun. It fits just right. Also, the Blue Wizards have almost no written history, so the story can go absolutely anywhere with them. It opens a lot of possibilities story wise.
I guess we have to wait about a year to find out.
I think they are throwing out red meat to the fanbase, which in my opinion is a red herring. Gandalf is a fan favorite but lets be real. Having the Stranger be a Blue Wizard gives the show liberties and an empty canvas to create story lines.
Another thing to think about. If the Stranger is a Blue Wizard, there may be an ultimate reveal of a second Blue Wizard. Perhaps that is what the Stranger is seeking as he heads East. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ScareCrowe:
I did find it a bit odd that they sail to middle earth knowing only that they needed to go to the general region of the Southlands & somehow ride straight to the town where the battle is taking place.
So I actually figured this out on rewatch.
Spoiler!
Before they leave Numenor they have a strategy meeting with Halbrand & ask him where the orcs were when he left the Southlands. He tells them that he believes they would be marching toward the Tower of Ostirith. He would know (being Sauron & all) where there the hilt/key needed to be inserted to create Mt. Doom & would likely know that was Adar's plan.
And as far as them getting there just in time, in actuality they got there just too late as Adar had already switched out the hilt & sent the guy to activate the volcano before they arrived.
Watching this season of ROP and the discourse in this thread has provided a lot of info I didn't know....that I didn't know. I decided to rewatch the first three movies. I'm halfway through TFOTR and have picked up on a lot of things I didn't notice before. [Reply]
...it "might" be Saruman before he turned evil, and that could be the plot twist you guys desire.
Saruman was the first of the 5 wizards to come to Middle Earth but I thought it happened at the dawn of the Third Age.
It most definitely cannot be Gandalf or they truly fucked the story.
It really can't be Tom Bombadil either, as he's said to have been around since the beginning, and he doesn't act in such a way to suggest it's him either.
