I just feel like everyone is going to spend all week talking about Mahomes' ankle or Burrow being a Demigod or Chase against this young secondary or Lou Anarumo being a psychopath...and then in the end it's just going to Samaje Perine bludgeoning Bolton and Gay to death.
Man is that Orlando Brown Jr investment paying off or what? Dude can't even get on the field these days. Well, at least there's no dropoff in protection! :-) [Reply]
Isn't he the one that got Burrows wrist fucked up too? I distinctly remember him getting bull rushed back into Burrow and him wincing and flexing his wrist afterwards, and the next week is when it ruptured. [Reply]
Originally Posted by New World Order:
Mahomes went 12-4 with one of the worst defenses of all-time. It was far worse than Burrow’s current defense.
Enough with the excuses for him. Fuhgettaboutit
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
You hate to see it, but mostly, you love to see it.
And yes, Mahomes had a worse defense in 2018 and was (1) a coin toss and (2) Dee Ford being an absolute moron away from playing in the Super Bowl.
I haven’t looked into any advanced metrics, but I don’t think the 2018 Chiefs had one of the worst defenses of all time. IIRC, they were like top 3 in getting to the passer. At least they could do something well (until it really mattered in the AFCCG).
Looks like 2018 Chiefs D allowed 26.2 PPG on average to 26.9 for the 2024 Bengals. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
For the most part, Burrow is having an MVP type of year. He's top-3 in most every QB metric. And he doesn't have a great OL or running game. He does have a pair of really good WRs, though Higgins hasn't been available the entire year. Says something about the value of quality WRs.
HE hasn't been clutch in several games, that's true, the LAC game we all just watched being the most recent example, but his defense and STs definitely haven't been helping him much at all either.
TBF, i'm not putting it all on him. He's doing more than enough throughout the the game where he shouldn't have to be a hero at the end of most of their games. There's a lot of blame to spread around.
I'm simply pointing out that all those numbers are great...but if you don't make the 1, 2 or 3 plays needed at the end...so what? [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
I haven’t looked into any advanced metrics, but I don’t think the 2018 Chiefs had one of the worst defenses of all time. IIRC, they were like top 3 in getting to the passer. At least they could do something well (until it really mattered in the AFCCG).
Looks like 2018 Chiefs D allowed 26.2 PPG on average to 26.9 for the 2024 Bengals.
Statistically, KC was indeed a top-10 defense. And yeah, they led the league in sacks, were top-5 in pressures or QB hits (mybe both), and, 3rd downs. Yeah, KC's defense was top of the league on 3rd down.
But advanced metrics showed that a lot of that was because of SoS. Some of it had to do with certain defensive players not being available.
Anyway, things like pressures/sacks were inflated because many of the OLs we played that year weren't very good. And when we did play a team with a good OL, we couldn't get a sack or much pressure. So when we played NE in the AFCCG and couldn't get sacks and couldn't get the off the field on 3rd down, well, the answers were there, just not in the gross stats.
I think I read about all of that in a The Athletic article shortly after the AFCCG. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
The difference is clear.
Burrow:
1. Had the ball in his hands against NE in game #1 down 6. Failed to get even a first down.
2. Had the ball in his hands against KC in game #2 with a lead and failed to extend it, where a FG doesn't beat you. (same scenario that Josh Allen was in this past Sunday against you).
3. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #5 with a lead and not only failed to extend it, threw an INT that lead to a tie, before losing in OT.
4. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #10 and failed to convert a 2pt conversion.
5. Had the ball in his hands against LAC in game #11, in a tie game and missed a blown coverage that left Chase wide open, then missed Chase on a deep pass when he was wide open on the next drive.
He's put up MVP numbers this year, by and large through 3 1/2 quarters of each game, yet when the ball is in his hands to win it, 5 times this year, he's failed every time.
You can call out the defense and kicker and coach and whatever you want but the ball was in your franchise QBs hands on 5 occasions this year with a chance for him to make plays to win games and he hasn't come through even once.
Zero for 5. If he converts even 2 of those, the team is 6-5 and right in the thick of things.
This is by far the most honest post I have ever seen from an opposing fan on CP - not surprised it came from Faulk. Easily the best oppo poster here.
This is almost the equivalent of a donk fans admitting they have never won a legitimate superbowl. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
The difference is clear.
Burrow:
1. Had the ball in his hands against NE in game #1 down 6. Failed to get even a first down.
2. Had the ball in his hands against KC in game #2 with a lead and failed to extend it, where a FG doesn't beat you. (same scenario that Josh Allen was in this past Sunday against you).
3. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #5 with a lead and not only failed to extend it, threw an INT that lead to a tie, before losing in OT.
4. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #10 and failed to convert a 2pt conversion.
5. Had the ball in his hands against LAC in game #11, in a tie game and missed a blown coverage that left Chase wide open, then missed Chase on a deep pass when he was wide open on the next drive.
He's put up MVP numbers this year, by and large through 3 1/2 quarters of each game, yet when the ball is in his hands to win it, 5 times this year, he's failed every time.
You can call out the defense and kicker and coach and whatever you want but the ball was in your franchise QBs hands on 5 occasions this year with a chance for him to make plays to win games and he hasn't come through even once.
Zero for 5. If he converts even 2 of those, the team is 6-5 and right in the thick of things.
This is the big knock on him even before this season started. His lack of fourth quarter TDs in the playoffs was just brushed aside. Problem is that you can’t do that as it’s telling that when he needs to make a play in the biggest moments he fails to produce.
This is the time when he had the best opportunity to carry this team on his back and he can’t do it. What’s sad is that he is actually putting up MVP numbers but has zero chance of winning it. Like it or not, the MVP is essentially a QB award and regardless of how great a QBs numbers are, they will always be judged on W/L record more than anything else. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
The difference is clear.
Burrow:
1. Had the ball in his hands against NE in game #1 down 6. Failed to get even a first down.
2. Had the ball in his hands against KC in game #2 with a lead and failed to extend it, where a FG doesn't beat you. (same scenario that Josh Allen was in this past Sunday against you).
3. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #5 with a lead and not only failed to extend it, threw an INT that lead to a tie, before losing in OT.
4. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #10 and failed to convert a 2pt conversion.
5. Had the ball in his hands against LAC in game #11, in a tie game and missed a blown coverage that left Chase wide open, then missed Chase on a deep pass when he was wide open on the next drive.
He's put up MVP numbers this year, by and large through 3 1/2 quarters of each game, yet when the ball is in his hands to win it, 5 times this year, he's failed every time.
You can call out the defense and kicker and coach and whatever you want but the ball was in your franchise QBs hands on 5 occasions this year with a chance for him to make plays to win games and he hasn't come through even once.
Zero for 5. If he converts even 2 of those, the team is 6-5 and right in the thick of things.
I posted a stat that Burrow has 0 4th quarter TDs in the postseason...so the trend you posted is consistent.
Just shows how rare the clutch gene is...Montana, Brady and Mahomes. Manning didnt have it either...Herbert doesnt have it. That Sunday night game was a fluke....and he almost blew it. Two non-clutch QBs going at it in 4th...someone had to win. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
I haven’t looked into any advanced metrics, but I don’t think the 2018 Chiefs had one of the worst defenses of all time. IIRC, they were like top 3 in getting to the passer. At least they could do something well (until it really mattered in the AFCCG).
Looks like 2018 Chiefs D allowed 26.2 PPG on average to 26.9 for the 2024 Bengals.
They gave up 400 ypg. It would have been more if we had a bad offense
Originally Posted by tredadda:
This is the big knock on him even before this season started. His lack of fourth quarter TDs in the playoffs was just brushed aside. Problem is that you can’t do that as it’s telling that when he needs to make a play in the biggest moments he fails to produce.
This is the time when he had the best opportunity to carry this team on his back and he can’t do it. What’s sad is that he is actually putting up MVP numbers but has zero chance of winning it. Like it or not, the MVP is essentially a QB award and regardless of how great a QBs numbers are, they will always be judged on W/L record more than anything else.
The Chiefs playoff history under Patrick Mahomes would look pretty damn similar to that if it weren't for the fact that Patrick is so unbelievably clutch. We've come to expect him to deliver when it counts most because he almost always does, but we forget just how incredibly important that one factor is in deciding who gets the trophy and goes home to fuck the prom queen. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
The difference is clear.
Burrow:
1. Had the ball in his hands against NE in game #1 down 6. Failed to get even a first down.
2. Had the ball in his hands against KC in game #2 with a lead and failed to extend it, where a FG doesn't beat you. (same scenario that Josh Allen was in this past Sunday against you).
3. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #5 with a lead and not only failed to extend it, threw an INT that lead to a tie, before losing in OT.
4. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #10 and failed to convert a 2pt conversion.
5. Had the ball in his hands against LAC in game #11, in a tie game and missed a blown coverage that left Chase wide open, then missed Chase on a deep pass when he was wide open on the next drive.
He's put up MVP numbers this year, by and large through 3 1/2 quarters of each game, yet when the ball is in his hands to win it, 5 times this year, he's failed every time.
You can call out the defense and kicker and coach and whatever you want but the ball was in your franchise QBs hands on 5 occasions this year with a chance for him to make plays to win games and he hasn't come through even once.
Zero for 5. If he converts even 2 of those, the team is 6-5 and right in the thick of things.
Oh wow.
I mean...that's pretty damning. I didn't realize it was that pervasive, especially when viewed on concert with some of his post-season numbers.
It's awfully strange to me that the first thing people say about the guy is that he's clutch (again, presumptively based on a single win against a team that collapsed offensively in the 2nd half). Literally every other bit of evidence suggests the opposite.
Say he's an incredible pure passer or brilliant processor if you want. I have a harder time coming up with an obvious rebuttal to that.
But the clutch thing? That one's just strange. There's seemingly little basis for it. [Reply]
I heard Nick Wright say yesterday, trying to defend Burrow over Lamar, that Burrow is in the Brady mold in that he's very accurate and he's clutch. He's right on accuracy, he's the best in the league there. But clutch is his clear weakness. It's obviously been an Allen weakness as well in the playoffs. Clutch is where Mahomes shines. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
The difference is clear.
Burrow:
1. Had the ball in his hands against NE in game #1 down 6. Failed to get even a first down.
2. Had the ball in his hands against KC in game #2 with a lead and failed to extend it, where a FG doesn't beat you. (same scenario that Josh Allen was in this past Sunday against you).
3. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #5 with a lead and not only failed to extend it, threw an INT that lead to a tie, before losing in OT.
4. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #10 and failed to convert a 2pt conversion.
5. Had the ball in his hands against LAC in game #11, in a tie game and missed a blown coverage that left Chase wide open, then missed Chase on a deep pass when he was wide open on the next drive.
He's put up MVP numbers this year, by and large through 3 1/2 quarters of each game, yet when the ball is in his hands to win it, 5 times this year, he's failed every time.
You can call out the defense and kicker and coach and whatever you want but the ball was in your franchise QBs hands on 5 occasions this year with a chance for him to make plays to win games and he hasn't come through even once.
Zero for 5. If he converts even 2 of those, the team is 6-5 and right in the thick of things.
Wow. Woof. That's rough.
Really good and succinct post though. Even if flies in the face of Bengals talking shit. LOL [Reply]
I mean...that's pretty damning. I didn't realize it was that pervasive, especially when viewed on concert with some of his post-season numbers.
It's awfully strange to me that the first thing people say about the guy is that he's clutch (again, presumptively based on a single win against a team that collapsed offensively in the 2nd half). Literally every other bit of evidence suggests the opposite.
Say he's an incredible pure passer or brilliant processor if you want. I have a harder time coming up with an obvious rebuttal to that.
But the clutch thing? That one's just strange. There's seemingly little basis for it.
He beat Alabama tho!!!! Deshawn Watson is still trying to live off the same narrative.
I didn't realize it that bad. Credit to faulk for rolling up a really good argument. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
TBF, i'm not putting it all on him. He's doing more than enough throughout the the game where he shouldn't have to be a hero at the end of most of their games. There's a lot of blame to spread around.
I'm simply pointing out that all those numbers are great...but if you don't make the 1, 2 or 3 plays needed at the end...so what?
Yeah, I have to agree.
Though if I’m honest, Pat hasn’t been super clutch recently either. If we’re brutally honest about it, the defense has been more clutch than Mahomes during the streak.
But Pat has managed to lead several game-winning drives in there, so we think of him as clutch [Reply]
