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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
#ThePatonPlan #HappyCacoonOfLove

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...hackett-coach/

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

Denver's interest in Nathaniel Hackett has been known since the fall. And for obvious reasons, given his relationship with Aaron Rodgers (Rodgers actually championed his HC candidacy).

But Hackett's bright, charismatic in his own right, was a huge asset for Matt LaFleur in GB.
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 27, 2022

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
You know that jump the Chiefs offense made from 2017 to 2018? Denver is going to be getting that.

These guys are going to be totally different players. Chiefs fans know how much a top 5 QB changes an offense.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
He has all the information he needs.

1. Rodgers made it known he wanted to go to Denver.
2. The Packers are in cap hell, and made assurances to Rodgers that if he came back they would let him dictate his future in 2022.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

This year Broncos
-Acquired starting QB for low round pick,paid him $4M (Panthers paid him $7M);
-Traded Von Miller, with expiring contract, for 2nd/3rd rd picks;
-Hired highly respected coach w/strong ties to a certain QB;
-Soon to be sold for record-setting price.
Trending up.
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) January 27, 2022

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Rodgers is going to slay the youth and reclaim his legacy

I actually think that would be quite appealing to him. https://t.co/XXPQxrFE6T
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) January 27, 2022

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Stafford was 5 years younger and the Lions only received two late 1sts and a 3rd for him. And the Lions had to take on Goff's contract!

The #9 overall pick alone is worth 1350 points on the trade chart, a pick between #29-#32 is worth roughly 600 points on the trade chart.

The price might not be as high as you think.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
#ThePatonPlan

Rodgers to Denver?@AndrewBrandt thinks #GreenBay will prioritize Jordan Love this off-season... and that #Rodgers will leave.

And he told me yesterday, that a Nathaniel Hackett hiring in #Denver would be "telling."

Welp. 👀

🎧#NFLRhodesShow
🍎 https://t.co/V9jWg7ohIE pic.twitter.com/4TEiMbQq08
— Lindsay Rhodes (@lindsay_rhodes) January 27, 2022

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
The Rams were competing with the 49ers and Broncos for Stafford last year and only gave up two late 1's and a 3.

Stafford didn't have the ability to dictate his destination the way Rodgers does this year. The Packers will get a nice package but I don't think it's going to be a massive haul. Rodgers holds the cards, not GB, not Denver, not any other team.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

speaking of BUZZ (writing about this now for @1043TheFan ) ...

EVERYONE in the scouting community that I talk to believe Aaron Rodgers will be traded to the #Broncos

The price tag? I've heard some educated guesses...and it may SURPRISE. I think a fair deal is coming pic.twitter.com/nkNokkp8Wh
— Cecil Lammey (@CecilLammey) January 29, 2022

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
From Andrew Brandt's Sunday Newsletter:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Congrats on beating Keesum, Flacco, Paxton, Drew Lock, and Teddy Bridgewater.

What do you think Mahomes' record will be against Rodgers? Will he win even a single game?

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Green Bay is just trying to increase the number of picks the Broncos will give them. General Paton will hold the line.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

Brandtslation: Don't blame us if he leaves. https://t.co/1XWG7SG5Cc
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) February 13, 2022

Um...what do you think? https://t.co/57urmMEYq7
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) February 13, 2022

The Packers do seem like a boyfriend or girlfriend desperate to stay in a relationship, publicly professing their love -- through ESPN and NFLN -- for all to see.
Hmm. This is not a team that ever negotiates publicly.
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) February 13, 2022

Last word (for now) on Packers/Aaron:
In 2021 the team message was "We're not trading Aaron Rodgers."
In 2022 the message is "We want Aaron back, but it's up to him."
Very different, and very deja vu to end of Brett's time there.
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) February 13, 2022

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
#TheHackettPlan

While the Packers are reportedly going to go all in to retain Aaron Rodgers, a trusted source says that Denver Broncos head coach Nathaniel Hackett told members of the team he is pushing hard to trade for the defending MVP this offseason.
— Brendan Sugrue (@BrendanSugrue) February 14, 2022

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

Interesting point from @AndrewBrandt regarding Aaron Rodgers MVP acceptance speech on latest @RossTuckerPod pic.twitter.com/eZyMWmoyDn
— Ross Tucker Podcast (@RossTuckerPod) February 18, 2022

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
#ThePatonPlan

Chris Simms said on Brother From Another that based on what he's heard from people in the know, Rodgers will leave Green Bay.

He said if he had to put his money on it, Aaron Rodgers will be the QB of the Denver Broncos in 2022.
— The Orange Remembers ��88 (@WestRemembers) February 18, 2022

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
#ThePatonPlan

Aaron Rodgers �loves� Nathaniel Hackett, per @TyDunne (via @TheHerd)

�I had a player tell me last spring, he may so like Matt LaFleur, tolerate Matt LaFleur, but he LOVES Nathaniel Hackett, that it�s a 'gooey ga-ga kind of love in meetings,' is what one player told me.�
— Zac Stevens (@ZacStevensDNVR) February 21, 2022

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
This is the same stuff they've been saying. I'm not interested in that.

I am interested in them acknowledging the possibility of Rodgers being traded. They never once said that last year.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
I've been hearing about these contract negotiations for over a week. Is this why they have been unable to come to terms? The Packers aren't going to destroy their cap in the future for one more year of Rodgers and nobody is going to give up anything significant if Rodgers won't waive his opt-out.

Any new deal for Aaron Rodgers is irrelevant past this year. He has an out next year to be a FA and pick his team.
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) March 1, 2022

Can�t see AR doing that. More valuable than $. https://t.co/h8d6o2CFSa
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) March 1, 2022

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

The Broncos scouting staff was honored Wednesday evening at scouting combine. Inside the League (ITL) surveyed personnel departments around the NFL and the Broncos were selected as the team with the best draft class of 2021. It is the fifth year ITL has given the award. pic.twitter.com/DmVUxomnYK
— Jeff Legwold (@Jeff_Legwold) March 2, 2022

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
NFL personnel departments already think Paton and his staff are better. They even gave them an award for it.

Broncos are winners of the 5th annual Best Draft Award as voted on by NFL scouts and executives and presented by ITL Combine Seminar. Broncos win it on strength of Surtain, Javonte, The Belly, Baron Browning, Caden Sterns and Jonathon Cooper. George Paton's first draft. #9sports
— Mike Klis (@mikeklis) March 2, 2022

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania:
Oh, I hear ya... it's just the same tired stuff with this one and then he vanishes... only to return and throw out the same boring BS. Every end of season is a restart - come back in January, talk crazy shit and then in Oct... bail at the midpoint. Rinse/Repeat

Most others stick around year round for the most part or don't show up and throw up 24/7 for 3 months until the season starts.

He's just an annoying douche and it's not even smack or trash talk with this one, he's incapable.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
#ThePatonPlan

If Aaron Rodgers is traded, the destination �has always been the Denver Broncos,� per @RapSheet

�Broncos has always been the potential trade location�

�In Rodgers mind, if he was not in Green Bay, it seems (Denver) would be the other spot he would want to be�

(Via @nflnetwork)
— Zac Stevens (@ZacStevensDNVR) March 5, 2022

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
#ThePatonPlan

If your spouse/partner of 17 years needs two months to decide whether to keep being your spouse/partner, that's probably not a great sign for your continued relationship. #RodgersPackers
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) March 7, 2022

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

The Broncos' offense could be looking dangeRuss 👀 pic.twitter.com/X8iRP49TrT
— NFL on ESPN (@ESPNNFL) March 8, 2022

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
He came back a bit too early from a thumb injury last year.

He's still only 33. Guys like Elway and Steve Young both set their career high for passing TD's when they were 37. Elway's best stretch of his career came when he was between 33-38 years old.

Russ will adapt. What he loses physically he'll make up for mentally.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
General Paton still has plenty of ammo

Given the assumptions made right now:
2nd (#64)
3rd (#75)
3rd (#96)
4th (#114)
4th (#115)
5th (#145)
6th (#205)
7th (#232)
7th (#248) https://t.co/SdXg6Leczp
— Nick Korte (@nickkorte) March 8, 2022

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

If the Broncos get Von Miller back, then George Paton will basically just get Russell Wilson for a couple 1st rounders, a 31-year old DT, a TE with one year left on his deal, and a QB that didn't work out anyway.

He still has 3 picks in the top 100 this year.

Build the statue.
— Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) March 9, 2022

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

.@Seahawks @Broncos @DangeRussWilson had an incredible decade in the land of the #12 Starts a new decade in the Rockies. Looks like the same guy to me in wk 18 v @AZCardinals #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/K6DQARNYpo
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) March 9, 2022

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
UhOh

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Some stealth ops shit by General Paton

"The week before the Super Bowl George Paton & John Schneider were in talks building the framework for Russell Wilson" ~@PSchrags #PMSLive pic.twitter.com/NckpYPT3g2
— 🅿️at McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) March 10, 2022

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
I'd assume Paton preferred the 33 year old HOF QB, who spends $1,000,000 per year on his body and plans on playing until he's 45, over the 38 year old HOF QB, who could retire at any moment.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
I don't know why you'd concede the division to the Chiefs for the next decade. The AFCW will be a tossup for the foreseeable future.

Back when the Chiefs had Mahomes and the rest of the QB's in the division were Carr, an unknown rookie named Herbert, and Drew Lock, yeah, the Chiefs had it locked down. It's a whole new world now. KC is in a very precarious situation right now. They have major holes at important positions (DL, RT, CB), plus some holes at WR, RB, and safety and they don't have a lot of cap room to address them (currently $6M over the cap).

Mahomes isn't enough anymore. The difference between the top 5 to 7 QB's in the league is tiny. Besides overall team health, pass rush and defense is the thing that is going to determine who wins more Super Bowls in this division over the next 5 years.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

Let's play, "Which one's Mahomes!"

68.2%
2.32 TD's per game
.60 INT's per game

OR

66.3%
2.34 TD's per game
.59 INT's per game

* These numbers were from the past two seasons.
** Two games where Russ came back too early from injury were removed
*** Mahomes has Andy Reid calling plays for him
**** One of these QB's are supposedly showing severe signs of regression

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
~~Go Hawks~~ Let's Ride!

Day 1 in Denver! Inspired by the courage these amazing kids have! @Ciara & I had a blast today! @ChildrensColo 🧡💙 Broncos Country� #LetsRide pic.twitter.com/Lw2sYhTrLG
— Russell Wilson (@DangeRussWilson) March 16, 2022

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:

It still has to translate into wins, but it�s been impressive how quickly George Paton built the #Broncos. Highly productive 2021 draft class, Russell Wilson trade, and signing Randy Gregory. Still have five draft picks inside of the top-115 this year.
— Jordan Reid (@Jordan_Reid) March 16, 2022

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Why would you come to the AFC West?

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
How the General got his guy

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Seahawks general manager John Schneider, believing the Broncos would pursue Wilson if he was made available, texted Paton to meet at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala.

�That�s when he asked if we would have some interest,� Paton said.

The answer was a resounding yes. Did Paton think it was a long shot?

�You don�t know,� he said. �But I�ve known John a long time and trust him and he mentioned we were one of a few teams Russell was potentially open to moving to.�

...

The sides remained in contact as the calendar flipped to February. Paton said there was never a step backward during negotiations. Paton knew it would take a combination of players and picks � and a lot of both � to get a deal done.

�We went back and forth prior to getting to the combine,� he said. �I don�t know how many times (the sides talked), but we were well on our way prior to the combine and we had exchanged different proposals.

�It heated up at the combine, for sure.�

Throughout the process, the usually collaborative Paton closed ranks within the Broncos, leaning on advisor John Elway and assistant general manager Darren Mougey.

�It was tough because I couldn�t really let them all in on it,� Paton said. �It was something we had to keep in a really tight group, 3-4 of us. I just felt there was too much to lose if this got out. It was a credit to everybody involved that, shoot, this went on for a month and it never leaked and that�s really rare.�

Paton was presented a hypothetical: Would his focus have shifted if Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers was equal parts available and wanted to play for the Broncos?

�Russell was our No. 1 priority from the moment we learned he was available,� Paton said. �We were consumed with getting him here to Denver.�

When Rodgers� camp announced his decision to stay with the Packers on the morning of March 8, Wilson was already on a plane to Denver. Once at the Broncos� facility, the Seahawks emailed the document waiving his no-trade clause, which he signed and returned.

https://www.denverpost.com/2022/03/1...-george-paton/

Some more from Breer:

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About to leave the out-of-the-way Indianapolis bar that served as one of their rendezvous points during a series of secret combine-week meetings and head home for Seattle, Seahawks GM John Schneider handed Broncos GM George Paton his yellow valet tag, No. 16157, from the downtown JW Marriott. On the back was scrawled Schneider�s final proposal, if he were to agree to deal franchise quarterback Russell Wilson to Denver.

It read:

2022 � 1ST
2022 � 2ND
2023 � 1ST
2023 � 2ND

With a list of player names to follow.

And there they were, in front of Paton, the bones of a deal that took secrecy, time, strong relationships and a ton of capital to complete. It was Sunday, and by the time the sun set in Indianapolis, both guys would be on their way home, already knowing they were well on their way to fundamentally changing the foundation of two NFL franchises.

Less than two days later, Wilson was in Denver to sign a waiver to override his no-trade clause, take a physical and complete a massive trade that�ll become official on Wednesday.

...

Last Monday really was about tweaking the deal�nailing down which players would go to Seattle from Denver and adding the pick-swap nuance to it. And the virtual handshake took place late that afternoon, with Schneider granting the Broncos permission to fly Wilson in, and Wilson getting a look at the waiver he�d need to sign to move his no-trade clause out of the way of a deal.

Early Tuesday morning, Wilson, his wife, Ciara, and Rodgers boarded a private jet for Denver. They were already airborne when the news broke that Aaron Rodgers was staying in Green Bay. They were still up there an hour later, at about 11:30 a.m. MT, when their own big news broke.

Paton was sitting in his office for that one, relaxing in knowing what a couple others in the building did�that the Broncos� new quarterback was en route. And so when the bombshell hit Twitter, with the secret still safe with a just few people, he�d given himself the chance to enjoy the reaction from his seat, hearing little celebrations explode from all around the team�s suburban Denver headquarters.

From there, Wilson arrived. Paton met with him, and then Wilson was off to summit with Hackett and his new offensive coaches, checking the final box he wanted to before officially signing the waiver, which allowed for him to take a physical on site and finish the trade. Later Tuesday, the group, appropriately, went to Elway�s Steakhouse for dinner to celebrate. And Wednesday, Wilson got a call from Elway himself to welcome him in.

For some in Denver, the day itself had a lot of the markings and trappings of a similar day 10 years ago, when Peyton Manning became a Bronco.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/14/mm...rady-unretires

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Maybe. But we have General Paton and you have Let's Reach, do you really think $5M extra cap space per year is enough to overcome that advantage?

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
From Joe Banner (Andy Reid's longtime GM in Philly):

https://www.the33rdteam.com/the-russ...ades-catch-22/

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Mahomes has almost set the ceiling at QB. Dak, Josh Allen, and Matt Stafford have all signed contracts after the Mahomes deal and every one of the came in under Mahomes' AAV.

Rodgers and Watson had unique circumstances to their negotiations. Watson had three teams competing for him and only managed to get $1M per year than Mahomes.

Who knows what Wilson's contract demands will be. If it's more than Mahomes' deal it will be a relatively negligible amount. Let's Reach already borrowed from Mahomes' deal in a failed attempt to win another trophy. General Paton can do that in the future too, if he so chooses.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
I'd be mad if my GM threw away premium picks on Frank Clark and Orlando Brown (after whiffing on Trent Williams). They're going to be paid like elite caliber players and they are far from it.

Irrelevant. You were beating up on a team without a QB. The Chiefs have had one of the easiest divisions in the entire league since 2018. The Chiefs will be lucky to win the division more than once over the next 4 years.

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
UhOh

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