Chiefs This seems to explain Mahomes happy feet - Page 4

OL got absolutely wrecked the first 3 drives. Patrick probably felt like he had to get rid for he ball quickly or scramble the rest of the game bc of the early OL play.

1st play: Wants to take a deep shot to start the game, gears up, about to unleash, and has an OL in his lap and can't follow through. Has to pull the ball down and dump it off. pic.twitter.com/DwqvMh4h3Q
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

3rd play: Can't step into the throw because and OL is being pushed into his follow through area and has to throw it flat footed to Kelce. Incredible throw. Catching a theme here yet? pic.twitter.com/QWTmg46LKD
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

5th play: Immediate read not open, left side of the OL starts getting collapsed into him, finds his RB on the check down but the ball gets tipped by a DL. pic.twitter.com/fg66gFFFnk
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

7th play: Nice pocket, ball out on time, hits the WR in the hands on 3rd down for a dropped pass. pic.twitter.com/9vUVTY8zbV
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

9th play: Stunts going on but a cleaner pocket than it seems from the back view. Doesn't matter, ball out and ripped to the WR for a completion. pic.twitter.com/nNZFaP4YB5
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

11th play: Defense wins the rep, gets a free rusher for a quick sack. pic.twitter.com/3pwQeLXykT
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

13th play: Hits the top of his drop, already has to slide left, hits the TE down the middle while another DL gets hands on him after the throw. pic.twitter.com/IHsNKMZRCP
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

15th play: Clean pocket, drifts slightly left towards his throw and completes the pass. pic.twitter.com/8UodoeN8k4
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

17th play: FIRST time all game he's gotten "happy feet" or bailed from a clean pocket. Feels the stunts and games and makes a run for it. Should've stayed in the pocket. pic.twitter.com/mGinhozWgH
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

Ok, so do we understand now? Every clean pocket except for the INT was a nice play and completed pass. He had people in his face from the get go, and the pocket was continually getting collapsed into him. Despite that he still completed a lot of those passes early on.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

By my eye the OL has not allowed Pat to feel clean pockets with regularity most of the year. It started late in the 2nd quarter of the Baltimore game and has mostly continued through this game. For whatever reason the protection hasn't been quite as good.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

That will need to change, and quick, because of the injuries to the WR position and changes there. But I wanted to do this to show that what we do up front is usually the biggest difference in every game, regardless of who's throwing and who's catching. It's still an OL league.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

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Originally Posted by RunKC:
Let me repeat this for you since you apparently didn’t catch it:

In 2021 we had prime Tyreek and prime Kelce

2 HOF’s in their prime tends to make a bit of a difference

Ok and we had a top 4 offense. The next year without Tyreek but with Kelce we had the best offense #1 in points and yards. And then for some reason, the next year still with Kelce and Rice, we had the 15th ranked offense. And as now we have the 14th ranked offense.
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Originally Posted by -King-:
Ok and we had a top 4 offense. The next year without Tyreek but with Kelce we had the best offense #1 in points and yards. And then for some reason, the next year still with Kelce and Rice, we had the 15th ranked offense. And as now we have the 14th ranked offense.

Man, Toney was a dumpster fire last year. Moore did less than nothing. MVS couldn't catch a cold for most of the season. Kelce played hurt for a chunk of the year.

But mostly, shoveling pick 6's to defenders really puts a dent in your scoring stats.

It was historically bad. It was freaky.

We're 14th right now, but it's 4 games in and it doesn't look nearly as fucked up as last year did. Mostly it looks like a team getting used to new pieces. And Mahomes isn't playing up to his normal level.
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Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Seems like Thuney might be slipping.

yep, doesn’t appear to have enough lead in his pants, to hold the d guys back, unfortunately
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Originally Posted by RunKC:
OL got absolutely wrecked the first 3 drives. Patrick probably felt like he had to get rid for he ball quickly or scramble the rest of the game bc of the early OL play.

1st play: Wants to take a deep shot to start the game, gears up, about to unleash, and has an OL in his lap and can't follow through. Has to pull the ball down and dump it off. pic.twitter.com/DwqvMh4h3Q
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

3rd play: Can't step into the throw because and OL is being pushed into his follow through area and has to throw it flat footed to Kelce. Incredible throw. Catching a theme here yet? pic.twitter.com/QWTmg46LKD
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

5th play: Immediate read not open, left side of the OL starts getting collapsed into him, finds his RB on the check down but the ball gets tipped by a DL. pic.twitter.com/fg66gFFFnk
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

7th play: Nice pocket, ball out on time, hits the WR in the hands on 3rd down for a dropped pass. pic.twitter.com/9vUVTY8zbV
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

9th play: Stunts going on but a cleaner pocket than it seems from the back view. Doesn't matter, ball out and ripped to the WR for a completion. pic.twitter.com/nNZFaP4YB5
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

11th play: Defense wins the rep, gets a free rusher for a quick sack. pic.twitter.com/3pwQeLXykT
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

13th play: Hits the top of his drop, already has to slide left, hits the TE down the middle while another DL gets hands on him after the throw. pic.twitter.com/IHsNKMZRCP
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

15th play: Clean pocket, drifts slightly left towards his throw and completes the pass. pic.twitter.com/8UodoeN8k4
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

17th play: FIRST time all game he's gotten "happy feet" or bailed from a clean pocket. Feels the stunts and games and makes a run for it. Should've stayed in the pocket. pic.twitter.com/mGinhozWgH
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

Ok, so do we understand now? Every clean pocket except for the INT was a nice play and completed pass. He had people in his face from the get go, and the pocket was continually getting collapsed into him. Despite that he still completed a lot of those passes early on.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

By my eye the OL has not allowed Pat to feel clean pockets with regularity most of the year. It started late in the 2nd quarter of the Baltimore game and has mostly continued through this game. For whatever reason the protection hasn't been quite as good.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

That will need to change, and quick, because of the injuries to the WR position and changes there. But I wanted to do this to show that what we do up front is usually the biggest difference in every game, regardless of who's throwing and who's catching. It's still an OL league.
— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) October 1, 2024

Agreed
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I thought that’s what it was… glad to see that I wasn’t just being irrationally optimistic, considering Schwartz sees it.
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So what can we do? Are there any helpful fatty FA’s? When is the trade deadline? I wanna get this show going!
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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88:
The Chiefs statistics on offense from 2022 compared to 2023 and this year disagree.

Did the Chiefs only change OC? No. Your argument has many flaws
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Originally Posted by rico:
So what can we do? Are there any helpful fatty FA’s? When is the trade deadline? I wanna get this show going!

I don't think any of that is necessary. I just think our OL needs to pull their heads out of their asses.
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Originally Posted by Lzen:
I don't think any of that is necessary. I just think our OL needs to pull their heads out of their asses.

They looked like they were getting physically out-manned the other day. It didn’t appear to be a tactical thing as much as a physical thing with them. How do you fix that quickly? Get them on higher doses of HGH?

You are probably right, btw.
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Get Schwartz on the coaching staff!
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Originally Posted by Lzen:
Did the Chiefs only change OC? No. Your argument has many flaws

It was the only significant change unless you think going from Juju to Rice was a significant downgrade. They upgraded at RT and stayed the same/slight downgrade at LT.

The biggest and most consequential change was Nagy.
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Reid needs to do better
Mahomes needs to do better
Oline, get your shit together
Fuck you, Toub

Nagy eating a chilidog in his visor unscathed
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Originally Posted by RunKC:
Romo was making it seem like Mahomes held the ball on purpose on this one. Likely didn’t see Watson breaking open bc Trey got pushed into his face while it was happening.

This is one you wish could have gone differently from a protection perspective because Watson is wide open in the endzone for a TD. But Mahomes is having to scramble and decide if he willing to bring his arm back for the velocity needed and risk the ball getting knocked out. pic.twitter.com/2lmVjggQ7Q
— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 1, 2024

Once he avoids the rush he had plenty of opportunity to chuck that to Watson for a TD. We've seen him make that play plenty of times. He's playing timid just like he did last last year during the regular season.
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Originally Posted by -King-:
It was the only significant change unless you think going from Juju to Rice was a significant downgrade. They upgraded at RT and stayed the same/slight downgrade at LT.

The biggest and most consequential change was Nagy.

The most significant change was that Mahomes went from being an MVP to looking like a mere mortal.
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These clips of what Mahomes is facing in the pocket are really great. But I don’t think they’re a good explanation of why he’s getting happy feet. I think in all of them except maybe number 11 he’s got three seconds at least to get rid of the ball and normally more than that. Yes he sometimes or even usually has to dance around in the pocket but that’s what pocket presence is all about. Remember what Brady used to do.

Yes there’s been some inconsistency in the LT position. Most QBs have to face much more inconsistency in the OL than that.

We all agree Mahomes is one of the best quarterbacks ever. These are issues he should be able to deal with.

By all means we should do what we can to help make it easier. We did that with our plans for the WR room this year. And it would’ve been great barring injuries. But we’ve had two very significant injuries and we do have to get another WR.
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