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DJ's left nut 09:14 AM Today
https://open.substack.com/pub/mnchie...utm_medium=web

I don't typically re-post his stuff because I think you want to support guys trying to freelance like he does. But I think this contributes to conversation enough to be worthwhile.

Spoiler!



It's what many of us have been saying - those folks that are killing the OT play just aren't paying that much attention. Yes, it's been bad at times. No, it's not the primary problem for a great deal many of these games.

On Sunday the issues were overwhelmingly Trey Smith and Patrick Mahomes. The pass protection issues have extended well beyond the OT play. And Patrick Mahomes is the single biggest culprit to the misfiring offense (at least he was in Buffalo and that was just a continuation of what we've seen this season, IMO)
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Buehler445 11:12 AM Today
Originally Posted by RunKC:
The Chiefs aren’t playing Hopkins a ton bc they want that 4th rd pick.



I know that sounds dumb but they care a lot about that kinda stuff.
And.....

He's old.
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mr. tegu 11:13 AM Today
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
When Kingsley is allowing straight line blind side tackles at Mahomes' back, you don't think that's going to have consequences going forward for the rest of the game in how Mahomes plays the position?

He’s played 23% of the snaps. When the line holds if the QB can’t make a play because four weeks ago the LT had some bad snaps then that’s a QB problem. We know this because the QB is missing open receivers from clean pockets at far too high of a rate right now.
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jd1020 11:13 AM Today
Originally Posted by RunKC:
The Chiefs aren’t playing Hopkins a ton bc they want that 4th rd pick.



I know that sounds dumb but they care a lot about that kinda stuff.
Am I reading something wrong here?

The sentence says the Chiefs have to make the SB and Hopkins plays 60% of the snaps. I'm assuming the snap count is referring to the actual SB and not the season.
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Rainbarrel 11:18 AM Today
Jackson needs to slap a bitch, dad needs to down a fifth and Britney needs to trigger social media
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O.city 11:19 AM Today
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
If you think Mahomes is playing poorly, you need to watch more QBs play in this league.
Well sure. I’d think a guy some wanna call the greatest of all time might have a higher standard though
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pugsnotdrugs19 11:20 AM Today
Just painful to watch. I have all the faith in the world that he can lock in and flip the switch because he did it last year with a worse supporting cast. But damn it's frustrating to see Mahomes essentially play just like Alex Smith once did.

Stop playing to your defense. That isn't gonna cut it this year like it did last year. You do have legitimate weapons and help on the way. No one gives a **** if you throw some more interceptions - you already are doing that by playing conservative.
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mr. tegu 11:23 AM Today
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
Just painful to watch. I have all the faith in the world that he can lock in and flip the switch because he did it last year with a worse supporting cast. But damn it's frustrating to see Mahomes essentially play just like Alex Smith once did.

Stop playing to your defense. That isn't gonna cut it this year like it did last year. You do have legitimate weapons and help on the way. No one gives a **** if you throw some more interceptions - you already are doing that by playing conservative.

The switch he really flipped was cutting out the interceptions and not throwing to Moore or Toney last post season. It took a pretty Herculean effort from the defense to win it all last season. Of the last 8 Super Bowl winners we scored the fewest total points and fewest ppg. Even with having an extra game on many of those other winning teams. That’s not going to be repeatable this year.
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htismaqe 11:26 AM Today
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
When Kingsley is allowing straight line blind side tackles at Mahomes' back, you don't think that's going to have consequences going forward for the rest of the game in how Mahomes plays the position?
Kingsley has played like 1.5 games total. If Mahomes is THAT messed up because of it, Mahomes has a problem.
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dirk digler 11:31 AM Today
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I think he's stretched thin. These guys are human.

Between off-the field obligations (sponsorships, celebrity status, team friggen ownership) and being a parent, guy has a LOT going on.

It's probably just a little harder to stay completely locked in during the season than it used to be.

Doesn't mean he can't dial it back in for the post-season, but if he gets into the habit of feeling phantom pressure, that's gonna be harder to break.
I have started wondering about this as well lately. Wondering if he is putting in the time on his craft to improve. I am really hoping one of these offseasons he will dedicate himself to improve his deep passing because honestly it is the weakest part of his game.
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dirk digler 11:39 AM Today
oh I just saw this Sam McDowell article today about this.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/sp...295916224.html

Originally Posted by :
This is going to seem like nitpicking.

It’s not.

The Chiefs are 9-1 after a loss in Buffalo on Sunday, and thus still occupy the top spot in the AFC heading into the final third of the season. It’s fine. It’s better than fine, actually, and it’s certainly better than this time a year ago. That’s why this might seem hypercritical.

But there’s an issue that keeps popping up during the Chiefs’ games — significant enough that those nine wins could’ve come a bit easier, and significant enough that the one loss might have never happened.

The Kansas City Chiefs still cannot hit the deep shot.

Patrick Mahomes cannot hit the deep shot.

The organization spent an entire offseason — the draft, free agency, scheme evaluation and summer and training camp practices, all of it — trying to improve their downfield passing game. Here are the effects of that concentration in its most succinct and recent form:

Whiff.

Whiff.

Whiff.

A year ago, the Chiefs threw fewer downfield shots than any other season since Patrick Mahomes arrived, per data on PFF. Naturally, they completed fewer of them, too. And yet for all of the conversation to change that last offseason, they are throwing the ball 20-plus yards beyond the line of scrimmage half as frequently as they did last year. Only 6.4% of Mahomes’ pass attempts are deep, by far the lowest percentage in the league.

There’s too much risk-aversion from all involved— that whole gunslinger thing doesn’t reflect reality. We saw offensive coordinator Matt Nagy on the sideline praising Mahomes for taking a shot in Los Angeles, even when it didn’t appear open. That was two months ago.

Where did it go?

Actually, for the last five weeks, it’s been right there, and the Chiefs are just flat-out whiffing on the opportunities.

In sequential order:

• In Week 7 in San Francisco, the Chiefs opened the second half with a deep shot to Worthy. Mahomes had a perfect pocket to step and throw, and he overshot Worthy, who had so much room that 49ers safety Malik Mustapha turned and looked at his teammates with the same question you might have had at home. How did he get so open?

• In Week 9 against Tampa Bay, Worthy adjusted his route after noticing space in the secondary, and Mahomes found him open along the sideline. Worthy, though, inexplicably caught the ball in his gut and trotted backwards out of bounds before securing it, costing him an easy score.

• A week later against Denver, Worthy properly adjusted his fly pattern to give himself more space in the field of play, and he had two steps on the last line of defense, but the Mahomes throw sailed out of bounds for yet another incompletion.

• On Sunday in Buffalo, Mahomes had Worthy on a deep pass down the seam. Mahomes had to sidestep some pressure and whipped the throw too far to his left, which sent Worthy toward the sideline. Worthy couldn’t drag his back foot for the completion. Which, by the way, it’s been a minute since we’ve seen a wide receiver have such an estranged relationship with the sideline. Still, let’s not sugarcoat it: That’s a touchdown with the right throw.

It’s easier to blame the rookie than a Hall of Fame quarterback, but three of those four misses fall squarely on Mahomes. Most NFL quarterbacks complete all of those throws, yet somehow the league’s best cannot complete hardly any of them, mired in some sort of long-throw slump.

The alarming part is that he missed in just about every way possible — pushing one throw too far right, yanking another too far left, and somehow finding a way to overthrow the man who recorded the fastest 40-yard dash in NFL Combine history.

“I feel like if I hit those shots, the offense looks completely different,” Mahomes said four days before missing Worthy in Buffalo.

Well, let’s look at exactly how different.

Those four plays — those four must-be-completed throws — came on drives in which the Chiefs didn’t end up scoring. In fact, they would total less than 10 yards combined after the misses.

So what would it look like if they had hit those shots instead?

Instead of being ranked 16th in yards, the Chiefs’ offense would be one yard per game shy of seventh — two spots higher than they were a year ago. Instead of ranking 11th in points per game, they would be sixth.

It is the literal difference between progression and regression.

For the team.

And the player.

Mahomes’ passer rating would jump from 90.2 to 100.1 with those four completions alone. He’d move to the top-five in the league in both yards and touchdowns.

It’s the difference in talking about a quarterback in the thick of the NFL’s Most Valuable Player race and wondering what’s going on with the Chiefs’ offense.

This is what’s going on with the Chiefs’ offense. Everything else is distracting from the central point. A few weeks ago, we outlined how the Chiefs have become better at figuring out a path to the end zone when the chunk plays aren’t there — how they’ve sustained extraordinarily long drives.

But now the chunk plays are there on occasion, and maybe even a more frequent occasion lately. Teams have adjusted to the Chiefs running the ball well. (KC is third in the NFL in rushing success rate.) The defenses have focused on Travis Kelce and DeAndre Hopkins underneath.

The back end of opposing defenses are showing some vulnerability, and yet the Chiefs cannot connect the world’s best quarterback and one of the NFL’s fastest wide receivers on the deep pass — even when it’s right there for them.

It’s maddening. It’s curious. It’s, well, tiring.

The Chiefs cannot afford to have this conversation every week, or we probably won’t feel the need to have it in February.

Sure, Mahomes had pressure in his face on one incompletion; he probably saw Worthy too late. Sure, there’s an inexperienced wide receiver on the other end. But these are wide-open throws, in NFL terms, and you don’t get many of those.

“We can practice it all we want, but until we start doing it in the game, there’s nothing more I can really say about it,” Mahomes said, and, yes, the frustration was as evident as that reads.

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pugsnotdrugs19 11:52 AM Today
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
The switch he really flipped was cutting out the interceptions and not throwing to Moore or Toney last post season. It took a pretty Herculean effort from the defense to win it all last season. Of the last 8 Super Bowl winners we scored the fewest total points and fewest ppg. Even with having an extra game on many of those other winning teams. That’s not going to be repeatable this year.
I like this current defense just fine, I even like Nazeeh Johnson more than I would say the vast majority of folks - this defense is NOT what it was last year. They had lightning in a bottle a bit there with how healthy they were and seemingly having almost every player in or entering their prime.
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htismaqe 11:57 AM Today
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
I like this current defense just fine, I even like Nazeeh Johnson more than I would say the vast majority of folks - this defense is NOT what it was last year. They had lightning in a bottle a bit there with how healthy they were and seemingly having almost every player in or entering their prime.
What's frustrating is that the run defense this year looks a lot better than last year. They just can't make anything happen on third down. No pressure, coverage holes, you name it.
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KC_Connection 12:04 PM Today
Originally Posted by O.city:
Well sure. I’d think a guy some wanna call the greatest of all time might have a higher standard though
I'd rather he bring his MVP level out for the playoffs myself, like he does every single time.

Can't say I give a shit whether Lamar Jackson is playing better than him in November.
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KC_Connection 12:07 PM Today
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Kingsley has played like 1.5 games total. If Mahomes is THAT messed up because of it, Mahomes has a problem.
That was just one example in the Denver game, but Wanya is not good for his position either and that has clearly had an effect as well.

Personally, I'd rather Mahomes lean on the side of caution than have him standing in and taking huge hits in regular season games. Our season is definitively done if he gets seriously hurt. His health is the most important thing in any given regular season game we play for that reason.

We can win a SB with Mahomes with a 9-8 record. We can't win a SB without Mahomes and a 16-1 record.
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KC_Connection 12:10 PM Today
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
The switch he really flipped was cutting out the interceptions and not throwing to Moore or Toney last post season. It took a pretty Herculean effort from the defense to win it all last season. Of the last 8 Super Bowl winners we scored the fewest total points and fewest ppg. Even with having an extra game on many of those other winning teams. That’s not going to be repeatable this year.
Nonsense. The guy had QBRs of 88.8, 91.5, 91.3, and 76.4 in four playoff games last season against maybe the toughest competition anybody has ever faced in a postseason run. You can easily make the argument it was the best he'd ever played in a 4 game stretch.

That didn't simply happen because of "cutting out the interceptions" or not throwing to Skyy Moore. He elevated his level of play significantly, which he has shown the ability to do consistently in the playoffs in his career.
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