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Nzoner's Game Room>The Athletic - Gap between Chiefs and Ravens is bigger than toe that decided game
kcgreene 09:35 AM 09-06-2024
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Rainbarrel 09:39 AM 09-07-2024
The Andy Reid falling on top of a totally spent Super Bowl 58 Chris Jones. May of had something to say about this so called quarantined two points conversion
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RealSNR 09:52 AM 09-07-2024
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic:
Wall of text about EB
Harbaugh had a great opportunity to hire EB, and it came at a time when Reid vouched so hard for him he did everything short of completing EB's Ravens interview himself. And Harbaugh said, "No thank you. I'm going to take a former failed NFL OC and overrated college coach instead."

I was one of EB's biggest supporters on here as a coach. And I couldn't believe it when nobody hired him as a head coach. I still think he'd make a better head coach than half of the chucklefucks who get jobs over him. But that chapter is done and I'm tired of talking about him. He's gone, out of the NFL picture. Maybe he'll come back to the league at some point but if he does I'm not going to give a shit about his career.

So as for Harbaugh demanding to hire EB as his OC... uhhh, no. He doesn't want him, and if he cut bait with Monken this quickly and went back to the guy he passed over, I think he'd start to get people in the organization questioning his judgment, and whether he actually knows what he wants in an OC.
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RunKC 10:08 AM 09-07-2024
as soon as Worthy scored his first TD the Ravens defense played scared. They had cover 2 so deep in fear of Worthy that it was basically 4 vs 5 but 2 of those 5 defenders were LB’s having to cover a WR or RB (Rashee Rice).

That’s why Kelce and Perine/Pacheco kept getting so open. Andy is just ****ing around making LB’s look foolish. And this was without Hollywood Brown which will make this even harder for defenses.

If I’m a DC I get LB’s off the field and replace them with safeties in cover 4/5 and dare Andy to go against his nature to run the ball.

Gonna be very interesting to see what Lou does next Sunday
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tredadda 04:52 PM 09-07-2024
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic:
I am going to say something, and I may get flamed for it, but IDGAF because I am high, and CP is a cesspool. I mean, it's a cesspool I have been playing in for over 20 years, but you know what I mean.

If the Ravens don't win the Super Bowl this year (I don't think they are) John Harbaugh should do whatever it takes to hire Eric Bienemy. It doesn't matter how bad UCLA, or their offense in particular, is this year.

Lamar Jackson has talent. He may speak in a way that makes him sound stupid, but I don't think he is at all. He may not be Mahomes or Manning upstairs, but he isn't Michael Bishop either.

I say this because I absolutely believe that EB could flash his rings, and Lamar would know that now he has a SB winning OC, and someone that Patrick Mahomes has personally said was a great coach and helped him a lot, and he needs to do whatever EB says to get better.

I think EB could help him settle his feet when he throws while moving around, and I am obviously no expert, but I feel like he doesn't always have a good base in the pocket because his arm is so strong. EB could help with his mechanics, but I think Lamar would really latch on to EBs teachings.

I don't follow the Ravens, but it seems like his OCs have been old white men. If I am wrong, please let me know. I don't care how many black players they have coached, they are just never going to have a relationship with Lamar other than coach/player.

EB would change that, and I think he would really provide Lamar with the mentor he has needed his entire career.

And I think EB gives the ball to Henry more than 13 times.

So, if they don't win it this year, and Baltimore really doesn't want to waste Jackson's career, they need EB.

EB is younger, and obviously Black.
EB has been personally endorsed by Patrick Mahomes, who is the current GOAT (and someone Lamar respects)
EB has Super Bowl rings as the OC for Patrick Mahomes
EB is a former running back and probably would run Lamar less, helping him focus on improving his passing.

I have personally arrived at the conclusion that it's time for Baltimore to move on from Harbaugh. The same way it was time for us to move on from Marty, and time for the Eagles to move on from Reid, etc.

I feel like this season will be exactly like the past 7 or 8 years for Harbaugh. They will win their division, will look like the best team in football at some point, and they will lose a home playoff game where their QB wasn't clutch, and the OC abandoned the run with the running backs to everyone's dismay, except Harbaugh, who will have to be told in the press conference that they were averaging 5 ypc when they decided to stop running the ball.

So, I hope they don't hire EB, and continue to waste Lamar Jackson, while retaining Harbaugh until Reid retires.
EB was the OC in Washington last year before being run out of town. His style of coaching rubs far too many the wrong way. He could do it in KC because he had Reid to be the “good cop” to his “bad cop”. You see how effective that was last year. He isn’t known for developing QBs nor has ever shown the ability to.
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scho63 04:59 PM 09-07-2024
If you look at the game honestly, the Ravens gave the game away.

Both teams made mistakes during the first game of the year and we made the least mistakes and that gave us the win.
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MahomesMagic 05:42 PM 09-07-2024
The play calling was great. It just seemed like Andy went back through all of his bag of tricks and selected plays that destroy modern defenses.

Lots of isolation plays to get guys wide open, high low concepts. Just beautiful.

Last years offense not only didn’t have the personnel, the play calling was frustrating.

Far less Nagy’s Bears stuff.
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kpic 06:53 PM 09-07-2024
Originally Posted by tredadda:
EB was the OC in Washington last year before being run out of town. His style of coaching rubs far too many the wrong way. He could do it in KC because he had Reid to be the “good cop” to his “bad cop”. You see how effective that was last year. He isn’t known for developing QBs nor has ever shown the ability to.
Let him roll with it, I think he's on that new "Colin Kaepernick Activist" weed strain.
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suzzer99 04:21 AM 09-08-2024
Originally Posted by neech:
Didn't know where to place this, so many threads in the last 16 hours or so.

Ravens OLB Kyle Van Noy suffered a fractured orbital bone.

An orbital bone fracture, also known as an eye socket fracture, occurs when one or more bones around the eye break. This can happen when the face is struck by a hard object, such as in blunt force trauma.

One of my friends got this when we got into a big brawl at Davey's Uptown many many years ago (supposedly the biggest fight they ever had).

It took him a while to recover and his eye still looks a little janked up from it. Then again Van Noy will have infinitely better medical care.
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Rausch 06:18 AM 09-08-2024
Originally Posted by scho63:
If you look at the game honestly, the Ravens gave the game away.

Both teams made mistakes during the first game of the year and we made the least mistakes and that gave us the win.
Just like the playoff game the Ravens were physically dominated and KC was able to move the ball down the field with ease at times. The Ravens don't have the horses to hang on offense or defense come playoff time.

Only in the 4th quarter when many of our previously banged up starters on D were completely winded did they make any progress. The pass rush slowed, the LB's slowed, and Lamar had a few wide open guys.

This game could have been a blowout if not for drops, some sloppy play, and a number of guys that still don't have their conditioning up to par yet. Both Perine and Pacheco dropped passes that could have been huge plays. Kelce contributed a concentration drop. As the season goes on and the new additions get comfortable we'll see our fair share of curb stompings.
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TwistedChief 07:18 AM 09-08-2024
Originally Posted by scho63:
If you look at the game honestly, the Ravens gave the game away.
Uhhhh…. No. Not even close. We could’ve easily won that game by multiple scores. We gave that type of resounding win away.
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Cheater5 08:28 AM 09-08-2024
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic:
I am going to say something, and I may get flamed for it, but IDGAF because I am high, and CP is a cesspool. I mean, it's a cesspool I have been playing in for over 20 years, but you know what I mean.

If the Ravens don't win the Super Bowl this year (I don't think they are) John Harbaugh should do whatever it takes to hire Eric Bienemy. It doesn't matter how bad UCLA, or their offense in particular, is this year.

Lamar Jackson has talent. He may speak in a way that makes him sound stupid, but I don't think he is at all. He may not be Mahomes or Manning upstairs, but he isn't Michael Bishop either.

I say this because I absolutely believe that EB could flash his rings, and Lamar would know that now he has a SB winning OC, and someone that Patrick Mahomes has personally said was a great coach and helped him a lot, and he needs to do whatever EB says to get better.

I think EB could help him settle his feet when he throws while moving around, and I am obviously no expert, but I feel like he doesn't always have a good base in the pocket because his arm is so strong. EB could help with his mechanics, but I think Lamar would really latch on to EBs teachings.

I don't follow the Ravens, but it seems like his OCs have been old white men. If I am wrong, please let me know. I don't care how many black players they have coached, they are just never going to have a relationship with Lamar other than coach/player.

EB would change that, and I think he would really provide Lamar with the mentor he has needed his entire career.

And I think EB gives the ball to Henry more than 13 times.

So, if they don't win it this year, and Baltimore really doesn't want to waste Jackson's career, they need EB.

EB is younger, and obviously Black.
EB has been personally endorsed by Patrick Mahomes, who is the current GOAT (and someone Lamar respects)
EB has Super Bowl rings as the OC for Patrick Mahomes
EB is a former running back and probably would run Lamar less, helping him focus on improving his passing.

I have personally arrived at the conclusion that it's time for Baltimore to move on from Harbaugh. The same way it was time for us to move on from Marty, and time for the Eagles to move on from Reid, etc.

I feel like this season will be exactly like the past 7 or 8 years for Harbaugh. They will win their division, will look like the best team in football at some point, and they will lose a home playoff game where their QB wasn't clutch, and the OC abandoned the run with the running backs to everyone's dismay, except Harbaugh, who will have to be told in the press conference that they were averaging 5 ypc when they decided to stop running the ball.

So, I hope they don't hire EB, and continue to waste Lamar Jackson, while retaining Harbaugh until Reid retires.


Ah, the old 'only black teachers can/should teach black students' argument. How can an old White man relate to these young black players in a sport dominated by black athletes?

Exhibit A:



Monken has been coaching for 33 years, been a successful OC with four different NFL franchises (Jacksonville, Tampa, Cleveland, Baltimore), the OC at University of Georgia for three years (2020-2023; they were pretty good), and a HC at Southern Mississippi, and he also played quarterback in college. Unfortunately, his biggest drawback is that he's White, apparently.

Eric Bienemy is a whole three years younger than Todd Monken. Bienemy has been a running backs coach in college (Colorado) and the NFL with Minnesota during Adrian Peterson's best years, and of course was the OC for the Chiefs from 2018 through 2022 before going to Washington for one year. He's now at UCLA as the OC. Of course, we know Bienemy played RB in college and in the NFL for nine seasons, his last being with Reid in Philadelphia. He is also black, so therefore can communicate better with black players and can flash his Super Bowl rings, or something.

I have a hybrid course of action that takes the best of your recommendation for Baltimore, while also retaining Todd Monken who is, by all accounts, more qualified in every aspect to be their OC;

It's only been done successfully a few times, but hear me out...






This way, Monken achieves immediate buy-in from Lamar with his new skin color, but also retains his competency!

Flame away, as CP is a cesspool but IDGAF because I am completely sober on a Sunday morning.
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Wallcrawler 11:25 AM 09-08-2024
Originally Posted by scho63:
If you look at the game honestly, the Ravens gave the game away.

Both teams made mistakes during the first game of the year and we made the least mistakes and that gave us the win.
The Ravens will never win against KC when Lamar Jackson is dropping back to pass 51 times in the football game.

Derrick Henry was given 13 rush attempts. This falls on John Harbaugh repeatedly pressing the panic button every time KC gets ahead in the game.

He does not have the patience to stick with his running game, because, justifiably so, he's terrified of Patrick Mahomes.

In the afc title game with the worst offense Mahomes has ever ran, Harbaugh rushed only 6 times with running backs.

The Ravens only shot to ever beat KC is to get extremely lucky with turnovers by KC, while having a 40+ minute time of possession focused on a running game that limits Mahomes ever being on the field.

That's it. Because Lamar Jackson is never going to win a contest dropping back to pass 40 times against Patrick Mahomes.
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Chief_N_Bama 11:42 AM 09-08-2024
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
The Ravens will never win against KC when Lamar Jackson is dropping back to pass 51 times in the football game.

Derrick Henry was given 13 rush attempts. This falls on John Harbaugh repeatedly pressing the panic button every time KC gets ahead in the game.

He does not have the patience to stick with his running game, because, justifiably so, he's terrified of Patrick Mahomes.

In the afc title game with the worst offense Mahomes has ever ran, Harbaugh rushed only 6 times with running backs.

The Ravens only shot to ever beat KC is to get extremely lucky with turnovers by KC, while having a 40+ minute time of possession focused on a running game that limits Mahomes ever being on the field.

That's it. Because Lamar Jackson is never going to win a contest dropping back to pass 40 times against Patrick Mahomes.

Lamar’s pass attempts are a reflection of the fact that the ravens spend 90% of the game against the Chiefs trailing. In the last 120 minutes of game time ravens have had the lead for all of 2 minutes. You run when you have the lead. Plus the carries Henry would have had Lamar took on his scrambles and he averaged 7.6 yards per carry. The lack rushing attempts by Henry is quite irrelevant. They still got the yards.

The problem is Lamar just can’t consistently make the throws that any average qb can make. Lamar had 3 open receivers and missed all 3. The ravens lose to the Chiefs because they can’t get a lead and lean on their running game, and have to ask Lamar to make plays with his arm.
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YontsRBake 11:43 AM 09-08-2024
Hollywood not playing was big but I am concerned the NFL is going to suspend Rashee for the offs so we’ll be stuck at that -1 starting WR disadvantage again.
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PatMahomesIsGod 12:10 PM 09-08-2024
Originally Posted by YontsRBake:
Hollywood not playing was big but I am concerned the NFL is going to suspend Rashee for the offs so we’ll be stuck at that -1 starting WR disadvantage again.
Shut your whore mouth.
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