Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
"The kid has people's heads spinning as far as the throws he's making." Basically the coaches are floored by how impressive the talent is with Pat.
He's making throws against NFL players in practice that people said wouldn't translate to the NFL.
Yes it's just practice against 3rd stringers, but to me this says very clearly that he has Aaron Rodgers type ability and they are actually seeing this in person and are wowed.
It's legit info too. Riddick worked with Andy and Veach in Philly. He's in with our staff. [Reply]
"The kid has people's heads spinning as far as the throws he's making." Basically the coaches are floored by how impressive the talent is with Pat.
He's making throws against NFL players in practice that people said wouldn't translate to the NFL.
Yes it's just practice against 3rd stringers, but to me this says very clearly that he has Aaron Rodgers type ability and they are actually seeing this in person and are wowed.
It's legit info too. Riddick worked with Andy and Veach in Philly. He's in with our staff.
"The kid has people's heads spinning as far as the throws he's making." Basically the coaches are floored by how impressive the talent is with Pat.
He's making throws against NFL players in practice that people said wouldn't translate to the NFL.
Yes it's just practice against 3rd stringers, but to me this says very clearly that he has Aaron Rodgers type ability and they are actually seeing this in person and are wowed.
It's legit info too. Riddick worked with Andy and Veach in Philly. He's in with our staff.
Originally Posted by O.city:
You don't want your future qb throwing behind 3rdand 4th string ol. He'll get killed
The Chiefs don't have a 4th string offensive line, as their depth chart is only 3 people deep.
It'll be interesting to see how Andy rotates the 2nd and 3rd stringers into the game because off the top of my head, I can't recall seeing a line consisting of only 3rd stringers. [Reply]
Originally Posted by milkman:
And they came to this conclusion after watching him practice against 3rd and 4th stringers?
If he's making the throws it doesn't matter who is on the receiving end. The point is that he looks to be the real deal. You and I could be out there catching his passes, he's threading the needle and putting some zip on the ball no matter who is catching it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN:
If he's making the throws it doesn't matter who is on the receiving end. The point is that he looks to be the real deal. You and I could be out there catching his passes, he's threading the needle and putting some zip on the ball no matter who is catching it.
Besides, who gives a ****? This team finally drafted a QB in the 1st and made an aggressive trade up to do it. There's plenty of hype/excitement, and I'm just going to enjoy it. Some people are absolutely miserable. [Reply]
Originally Posted by milkman:
And they came to this conclusion after watching him practice against 3rd and 4th stringers?
PM2 has been throwing great all camp. Boss Chief, Clay and Crazy Coffee have all posted videos showcasing the kid's talent. So don't take their word for it- judge for yourself. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Because playing Mahomes decreases the chemistry between the 1's.
The starting QB needs to get his timing down with his receivers and offensive line. When the starting QB missed 6th rounder Cyrus Gray in the Indy playoff game, it was because his timing was with Jamaal Charles, not Gray.
Every little bit of time, especially since the 2011 CBA was enacted, helps.
Mahomes will get his time, in due time.
Do you expect Smith with get more than 6 quarters over 4 games? And no, the QB will never develop chemistry with his 3rd string tailback - no amount of re-allocating reps will change the fact that when your 1 and 2 RBs goes down, you're in a bit of a bind. I definitely wouldn't be taking developmental reps away from my QBOTF out of concern for that eventuality.
In either event, I believe 6 quarters worth of snaps is probably Smith's outer bound. Now I'm not sure I'd give Mahomes a majority of snaps, but I wouldn't have a problem with a plurality of them.
I don't care if Stave never sees the field and if Mahomes ends up getting a few more reps than Smith, I'm fine with that as well. Smith's been in this offense for 4+ years now; there are no new installs for him. Anything added will be on a week by week basis.
And while some of his weapons will have changed, the only major one is Hill. And yeah, I'd like to get him some chemistry with Hill but it will be Hill that needs the reps more than Smith so he can learn the Z.
Meanwhile you're looking at a guy in Mahomes you needs a ton of live-fire and the pre-season is (lord willing) the best way to get him that. Otherwise he's just out there running the scout team and while you can try to develop technique in-season, that's not how the scout team works. His job there will be to emulate the opposition so the defense can get some reps in. It won't be to go out there and try to kick as much ass as possible.
The plan for Mahomes should be having him ready to start in 2018 - that plan should include as many reps as practical in the '17 pre-season. If that means a few more than Smith gets, I see no issue with that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Do you expect Smith with get more than 6 quarters over 4 games? And no, the QB will never develop chemistry with his 3rd string tailback - no amount of re-allocating reps will change the fact that when your 1 and 2 RBs goes down, you're in a bit of a bind. I definitely wouldn't be taking developmental reps away from my QBOTF out of concern for that eventuality.
In either event, I believe 6 quarters worth of snaps is probably Smith's outer bound. Now I'm not sure I'd give Mahomes a majority of snaps, but I wouldn't have a problem with a plurality of them.
I don't care if Stave never sees the field and if Mahomes ends up getting a few more reps than Smith, I'm fine with that as well. Smith's been in this offense for 4+ years now; there are no new installs for him. Anything added will be on a week by week basis.
And while some of his weapons will have changed, the only major one is Hill. And yeah, I'd like to get him some chemistry with Hill but it will be Hill that needs the reps more than Smith so he can learn the Z.
Meanwhile you're looking at a guy in Mahomes you needs a ton of live-fire and the pre-season is (lord willing) the best way to get him that. Otherwise he's just out there running the scout team and while you can try to develop technique in-season, that's not how the scout team works. His job there will be to emulate the opposition so the defense can get some reps in. It won't be to go out there and try to kick as much ass as possible.
The plan for Mahomes should be having him ready to start in 2018 - that plan should include as many reps as practical in the '17 pre-season. If that means a few more than Smith gets, I see no issue with that.
Won't usually play the full 3 quarters in game 3. It depends on the drives and how he performs.
If Smith comes out and leads a good drive at the start of the 3rd after the halftime adjustments are made, they'll sit him.
But as you've noted, even the outer edge is 6 quarters out of 16. That leaves 10 quarters that should be divided among 2 guys. Why shouldn't Mahomes get 5-6 of those? And if Smith comes out early in game 3 and only has 5.5 quarters, why shouldn't Mahomes get that extra half and put him nearer 6.5?
There are justifications for Mahomes getting more snaps than Smith this pre-season. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Do you expect Smith with get more than 6 quarters over 4 games? And no, the QB will never develop chemistry with his 3rd string tailback - no amount of re-allocating reps will change the fact that when your 1 and 2 RBs goes down, you're in a bit of a bind. I definitely wouldn't be taking developmental reps away from my QBOTF out of concern for that eventuality.
In either event, I believe 6 quarters worth of snaps is probably Smith's outer bound. Now I'm not sure I'd give Mahomes a majority of snaps, but I wouldn't have a problem with a plurality of them.
I don't care if Stave never sees the field and if Mahomes ends up getting a few more reps than Smith, I'm fine with that as well. Smith's been in this offense for 4+ years now; there are no new installs for him. Anything added will be on a week by week basis.
And while some of his weapons will have changed, the only major one is Hill. And yeah, I'd like to get him some chemistry with Hill but it will be Hill that needs the reps more than Smith so he can learn the Z.
Meanwhile you're looking at a guy in Mahomes you needs a ton of live-fire and the pre-season is (lord willing) the best way to get him that. Otherwise he's just out there running the scout team and while you can try to develop technique in-season, that's not how the scout team works. His job there will be to emulate the opposition so the defense can get some reps in. It won't be to go out there and try to kick as much ass as possible.
The plan for Mahomes should be having him ready to start in 2018 - that plan should include as many reps as practical in the '17 pre-season. If that means a few more than Smith gets, I see no issue with that.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Won't usually play the full 3 quarters in game 3. It depends on the drives and how he performs.
If Smith comes out and leads a good drive at the start of the 3rd after the halftime adjustments are made, they'll sit him.
But as you've noted, even the outer edge is 6 quarters out of 16. That leaves 10 quarters that should be divided among 2 guys. Why shouldn't Mahomes get 5-6 of those? And if Smith comes out early in game 3 and only has 5.5 quarters, why shouldn't Mahomes get that extra half and put him nearer 6.5?
There are justifications for Mahomes getting more snaps than Smith this pre-season.
Im sure Mahomes will be seeing plenty of snaps.
Stave is a camp arm who will mostly only see snaps in the 1st and 4th games.
Reid has already stated that EVERYONE will get to play in game 1, but snaps in the next 3 games will go to those who earned it.
I expect we'll see a lot of Mahomes. Hell, if Bray comes out and shits the bed the first two games, i wouldn't be surprised at all to see Mahomes getting 2nd string snaps in the 3rd preseason game.
Maybe i'm reading this wrong, but i believe Dane is merely saying that Mahomes shouldn't see snaps with the 1st unit, not that his snaps should be limited. And I agree. [Reply]
