Funny how differently people see the world...

I honestly think Worthy is a floor pick rather than a ceiling one. I don't see a ton of room for added growth with him. His route running is already polished. His speed is what it is. His size isn't going to change appreciably. I don't see much ceiling left in him at all - this is the guy he's going to be and what will ultimately impact his productivity is scheme and opportunity.

That will come, for better or worse, fairly early on in his career.

Someone like McConkey has more upside to me because I think there's a translation question that hasn't been answered. I don't think he's been used in as broad a manner as some of his skills suggest he could be used. I think he COULD (not will, but could) be a Z receiver type based on traits and a frame that I think can carry a little more good weight than it has.

So I actually see Ladd as being a higher upside pick and Worthy as being a safer one. Because I think Worthy's floor is as a better version of Hardman. Maybe a Marquis Goodwin sort? And he has had a heck of a career even if he was never a true impact player.

I think Worthy slots in as being between Goodwin and DeSean Jackson. That's not a HUGE outcome curve. Whereas i think McConkey could be anywhere between Skyy Moore and CeeDee Lamb.
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Working out of town so didn't get a chance to chime in much. Fucking stoked for this kid. Going to be fun watching him and Hollywood on the field at the same time.
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Some of those moves are fucking NASTY
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At the end of the first though....isn't that probably a smarter pick?

Those guys with a wide dispersion of outcomes usually are 2nd rounders.
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Yeah, a good whip route is a thing of beauty. Keeping those in your pocket with 'Reek on 3rd and gotta have it was just easy money.

Now with Worthy what may take a little time is learning the option routes. Because most of the time a whip route is a choice route. You have that in your pocket w/ a slant or drag or post/corner a simple dagger; something depending on what the defense shows.

That's what made Hill so dangerous. If you sold out for the whip, he was gonna kill you with something else. And if you dared him to beat you on the whip route, he would.

So how long will it take to install the full set of option/choice routes that will really let Worthy see what he has to work with and take full advantage of those whip/corndog sort of concepts?
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Yes.

I didn't like McConkey in the first much. Too much downside there and ultimately I don't have THAT much confidence in the upside. I mean he's a pretty clear 9.0(D) sort of player - the odds of him hitting that ceiling are pretty remote.

Whereas Worthy may only be a 8.0(B). Yeah, I'll take the latter over the former.
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This was posted on the Bills forum. :-)


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Same for me but I'm JAG on a message board. Even if we did get the wrong X who can argue with the results. We do know our QB can make Chicken salad out of ya you know. :-)
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I'll see if I can find the seam route he ran that's probably my favorite one. Not a thing he did was something you'd notice if you weren't looking at him and it ALL mattered.

EDIT: Okay, here are a couple of them



This one's neat as hell because it's him using his speed to buy space before he actually uses his speed. He slows down his route into that soft spot in the middle, the safety sees it and then he hits the afterburners once the safety sinks a little and just blows past him. And the ball tracking is just {chef's kiss}. I'm sure a lot of y'all played receiver as a kid. I was actually pretty damn good at catching the ball over my shoulder - I could do some of that stuff. And that's why I know it's really damn hard because that requires some insane body control to pull off. If you can't do it, you don't realize how much goes into making it actually work. I cannot say enough about how hard it is picking up a ball directly over your head like that and adjusting to it while it's in the air without tripping over your own damn feet. It's just awesome stuff there.

And here's the other route I was thinking of; not actually a seam - deep out.



Very very subtle footwork to prevent him from losing speed but also every one of those moves is getting a reaction from the DB. He has the kid in a blender without it being terribly obvious. Then he plants that foot and cuts as soon as he sees the DB open his hips just the smallest amount when he reacted one step of hard acceleration off a bit of a hesitation move.

That's the 'Receiver shit' i talked about Hill having when we 'converted' him to a receiver from a RB. Nah - we didn't. He was a receiver already. Guys that do that stuff are receivers even when they aren't. Because it's innate. It's WAY too fast and way too subtle to think your way through it. And there are too many variables to plan it in advance. Your body is just doing it.

Moore is the perfect example of a guy who has NONE of that ability. He'll have some pre-route plan and if that doesn't work for him, he's done. He has no feel for running the route. He can't adapt, he can't improvise. He's gonna try the same foot fire and exaggerated (read: Slow) nonsense that pro level defenders don't bite on and when that doesn't work he's just out of sequence with the patterns and out of the play altogether.

Worthy does receiver shit. He has a really nice feel for the position.
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Seems like a sharp guy. Watched him on the Rich Eisen show. Said his goal in meeting with teams was to show he had the smarts to go with that speed. Said, when teams had him go to the board and break down a play on film of himself, he also broke down other positions as well on their look on the play etc.
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.... Hell yeah!

Was the first "my guy" of this draft season for me.

I think he's our Desean Jackson moving forward. I understand that might be his ceiling, but I think he landed in the perfect spot to reach said ceiling.
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Someone should have told them they can have Skyy when he gets cut.
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Yeah, that's.... pretty much indefensible.
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I know you can't play the game being afraid of injuries, but I can't help but cringe when I read about Veach extolling Worthy's ability in the return game. 165 lb guy returning kicks or punts against 240 pound linebackers running full speed? That's a lot of punishment to absorb.
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You gotta take into consideration the new kickoff rules. Guys like Worthy and KT will have real opportunity to make a difference there.
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