Thanks for the post ...very informative...you must have some insider connections
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What do the words “Kimo von Oelhoffen” mean to you??
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No more than a number of other words. A large number.
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I’m curious what happened with Paul Brown and Bill Walsh? Wikipedia has a quote from Bill Walsh that Paul Brown tried to block him from ever being a head coach for any team. Must have been one hell of a falling out between them.

I can’t help but think Bill Walsh’s success with the Niners is similar to the Curse of The Bambino where the Red Sox gave Babe Ruth to the Yankees. The Bengals would be the team with 4-5 rings instead of the Niners under the guidance of Walsh and his staff/players.
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He's a small turd. Maybe change his name to r dingleberry?
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Ah, seems like a good place to post this. Enjoy.


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Their owner ship is what the Chargers have the reputation of.
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So at this point the Bengals have their franchise QB who has gotten paid and is healthy. They have a coaching staff who I think is in good standing. They've got some talent across the roster, the cupboard isn't bare. But it doesn't look nearly good enough to contend anymore. What's next? Just sign some free agents and draft well I guess, and hope next year goes better?
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There's just not a more hopeless feeling than loathing your team's ownership, is there?

Because you know that as long as that person owns the team, nothing is getting better. You hope to get lucky and some pieces fall into place for a year or two through mere happenstance, but you know even while that is happening that this too, shall fade.
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They're where the Cowboys were 4-5 years ago. The core of the team isn't going to get better - just more expensive.

I've said for years "Man, what's Dallas's plan here?" because Jerry just kept bringing the same guys back and paying them more until he couldn't anymore and the team finally collapsed.

So in this regard, Mike Brown being cheap could've been useful in that they could've traded Higgins and tried to reload a bit around a Burrow/Chase core. But he decided instead to push his chips in for one last run.

And make no mistake, this is it. They're not going to have a more talented roster next year than they have this year. All they can really hope for us Mims figuring things out and All/Burton becoming genuine threats. Then they can take the Higgins 'found' money and use it on the OL. But the defense is still declining so it's hard to see them truly improving. It just doesn't seem like Myles Murphy and Kris Jenkins are suddenly going to figure things out.
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They're basically in the spot where....well they need a "Chiefs 2022 draft" of McDuffie and such.

It's just hard.

They're basically going thru what the NFL wants cycle wise.
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I still wonder if it needs to be THIS hard, though.

Because isn't Buffalo going through it in their own right? And even when things go a little wonky for them, they don't do THIS sort of shit.

Buffalo is retooling their defense and pass-catchers on the fly and they are seen as a contender and rock-solid club. It's not dissimilar to what Cincy is doing (in many ways its been MORE extreme, in fact) yet they don't appear to be on the verge of spiraling into the abyss, do they?
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Bill Walsh was a young, innovative coach and Paul Brown was old school. He believed in paying your dues. Even though Walsh would have been the obvious choice to take over for Brown when he retired, Brown went with Tiger Johnson because he had been with them longer and he was more in tune with Brown on philosophy and demeanor and all that.

Walsh felt snubbed and after the decision, decided to take his talents elswhere (Stanford, i think?) and Brown felt betrayed so when Walsh was trying to get back in the league, Brown blackballed him and tried to get other owners to not hire him. He was a HoF coach but he was a petty prick.

Walsh had designed the early WCO for Virgil Carter after Greg Cook got injured his rookie year (against the Chiefs--the first in a long line of "what if's"). Carter didn't nearly have the same arm as Cook, who Walsh said was the most talented QB he's ever seen, so they designed a short passing scheme to fit Carter's talents.

The rest, as they say, is history.

3 things most people may not know.
1. The WCO was invented in Cincy by Bill Walsh who took it to SF and won rings with it.
2. The zone defense was invented in Cincy by Dick Lebeau who took it to Pitt and won a ring with it.
3. The no huddle offense was not necessary inveted but implimented and widely used in Cincy by Sam Wyche who lost a SB with it and Marv Levy stole the idea and lost a bunch more SBs with it as the K-gun in Buffalo.
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Well contrary to popular belief, the Bills have a good coaching staff and FO. They've been developing guys behind some of these others.

The Bengals haven't. I guess.
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That's kinda where I keep getting back to -- is Zac Taylor a really good OC masquerading as a HC?
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